From: scs@eskimo.com (Steve Summit)
To: alx@kernel.org (Alejandro Colomar)
Cc: bug-gnulib@gnu.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org,
linux-man@vger.kernel.org, scs@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2026 09:45:17 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2026Aug02.0945.scs.0002@tanqueray.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <am8_MfPmud43naU-@devuan>
Alejandro wrote:
>> Certainly, today, strncpy and strncat are the new gets.
>
> This is deeply incorrect.
That was a side point, but to clarify what I meant:
Once upon a time (and still today), it's a reasonable thing to say:
Never use gets. Don't worry if you don't understand the
issue, don't worry if you heard someone say there's an
obscure circumstance under which it might be useful,
just don't ever use it; pretend it doesn't exist.
Today I think it's equally reasonable to say:
Never use strncpy and strncat. Don't worry if you don't
understand the issue, don't worry if you heard someone
say there's an obscure circumstance under which they
might be useful, just don't ever use them; pretend they
don't exist.
Though perhaps not strictly true, this is good advice, because it
will never lead the average programmer astray.
strncpy is not a "fine function", because nobody is using
(or should be using) fixed-width string buffers any more.
(See, I can be opinionated, too! :-) )
But we don't need to argue about this. I said "strncpy and
strncat are the new gets" to concede a point, to agree that
discouraging the use of formerly-acceptable interfaces --
a point that I thought you, and certainly that various people,
were trying to make -- might be reasonable, even though it's one
I often find myself disagreeing with. But that's an opinion I
decided to leave out of my previous message, and I'm not going to
go down that road here, either.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-08-02 13:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-07-31 21:18 [PATCH 0/2] alx-0097r1 - <memory.h>, the legitimate header for memcpy(3) et al Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 21:18 ` [PATCH 1/2] man/man3/{mem,strn}*(): SYNOPSIS, STANDARDS: Document these as provided by <memory.h> Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 21:23 ` Joseph Myers
2026-07-31 21:28 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 21:54 ` Sam James
2026-07-31 22:18 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 0:12 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 14:43 ` Sam James
2026-07-31 21:51 ` on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform (was: [PATCH 1/2] man/man3/{mem,strn}*(): SYNOPSIS, STANDARDS: Document these as provided by <memory.h>) G. Branden Robinson
2026-07-31 21:59 ` on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform Sam James
2026-07-31 22:24 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-07-31 23:19 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 14:52 ` Sam James
2026-08-01 12:01 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 12:04 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 14:38 ` Sam James
2026-08-01 15:15 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 16:10 ` Sam James
2026-08-01 17:09 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 21:34 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-01 22:22 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 22:26 ` Alejandro Colomar
[not found] ` <CAETFuj2OwoyK9J85r2f0RoXbHbXKA4gQJ=JZ-7=QoqGcMwk0+Q@mail.gmail.com>
2026-08-01 22:44 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 23:24 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 23:53 ` proposed revision to memory.h(3head) (was: on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform) G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-02 0:27 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 1:03 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 12:52 ` on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform Steve Summit
2026-08-02 13:17 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 13:45 ` Steve Summit [this message]
2026-08-02 14:11 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 20:18 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-01 20:42 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 20:45 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 20:52 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-01 21:12 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 22:10 ` on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform (was: [PATCH 1/2] man/man3/{mem,strn}*(): SYNOPSIS, STANDARDS: Document these as provided by <memory.h>) Joseph Myers
2026-07-31 22:21 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 22:28 ` [PATCH 1/2] man/man3/{mem,strn}*(): SYNOPSIS, STANDARDS: Document these as provided by <memory.h> G. Branden Robinson
2026-07-31 22:42 ` on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform (was: [PATCH 1/2] man/man3/{mem,strn}*(): SYNOPSIS, STANDARDS: Document these as provided by <memory.h>) Joseph Myers
2026-07-31 22:52 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 23:11 ` Joseph Myers
2026-07-31 23:32 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-01 12:39 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 14:26 ` Christopher Bazley
2026-08-01 15:29 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 23:45 ` on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform (was: " Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 12:39 ` Douglas McIlroy
2026-08-01 19:54 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-01 20:35 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 23:08 ` [PATCH 1/2] man/man3/{mem,strn}*(): SYNOPSIS, STANDARDS: Document these as provided by <memory.h> G. Branden Robinson
2026-07-31 23:28 ` Joseph Myers
2026-07-31 23:57 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-01 0:06 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 22:05 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 22:16 ` Joseph Myers
2026-07-31 22:33 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 23:48 ` [PATCH 1/2] man/man3/{mem, strn}*(): " Collin Funk
2026-07-31 23:52 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 0:01 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 21:19 ` [PATCH 2/2] man/man*/{string.3,memory.h.3head}: Move functions to a new page memory.h(3head) Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 21:20 ` [PATCH 0/2] alx-0097r1 - <memory.h>, the legitimate header for memcpy(3) et al Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 0:25 ` [PATCH v2] man/man3/mem*(): SYNOPSIS: Document non-standard mem*() functions as provided by <memory.h> Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 22:22 ` Bruno Haible
2026-08-01 22:38 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 22:55 ` Bruno Haible
2026-08-01 23:10 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 23:26 ` Collin Funk
2026-08-01 23:34 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 23:29 ` Paul Eggert
2026-08-01 23:36 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 0:08 ` the Linux man-pages as an educational tool (was: [PATCH v2] man/man3/mem*(): SYNOPSIS: Document non-standard mem*() functions as provided by <memory.h>) G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-02 0:45 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 1:04 ` the Linux man-pages as an educational tool Collin Funk
2026-08-02 1:15 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-02 1:15 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 1:49 ` Collin Funk
2026-08-02 11:29 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 11:47 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 12:04 ` Alejandro Colomar
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