From: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
To: August Zeller <augzeller@gmail.com>
Cc: users@kernel.org, Linux Media Mailing List <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Linking Patchwork with Sashiko?
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2026 19:03:50 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260721160350.GD536385@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <eab30fce0d18137800ce7a77ee1083f11aa1a770.camel@gmail.com>
On Thu, Jul 16, 2026 at 05:10:11PM +0200, August Zeller wrote:
> The frustrating part of this situation is how everyone arguing on both
> sides is right in some way.
>
> 1. The tools work, yes. This used to be up for debate until recently,
> but now it's clear that AI can enhance contributor *and* maintainer
> productivity in the kernel if used correctly.
>
> 2. On the other hand, it is also true that LLMs and derived tools are a
> comprehensive manifestation of the problems of the industry and there
> are valid ethical concerns regarding access discrimination, copyright,
> workload externalization, job loss, etc.
>
> 3. However, a "no AI used" policy is unenforcible. Many people would
> use these tools regardless without announcing it, which is the worse
> outcome. If we're transparent about our AI usage, then at least
> everyone is aware and can treat the affected code with the right level
> of scrutiny.
>
> 4. Moreover, a "no AI used" policy isn't the best thing to do
> technically, as AI has proven to be very useful to catch bugs, review
> code, and even write some new code. Some critical bugs that we could've
> caught with AI *will* slip under the radar if we refuse to use those
> tools, while bad actors will gladly use the newest models to find
> exploits.
I don't think there's much disagreement on all that. I'm not aware of
anyone trying to get the kernel to adopt a "no AI" policy.
> Overall, even though I've been known as a great AI skeptic in the past,
> I'm with Linus on this issue. *Accepting and embracing AI may not be a
> desirable thing to do, but the alternative is even worse.*
--
Regards,
Laurent Pinchart
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2026-07-15 19:12 ` Laurent Pinchart
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2026-07-15 20:03 ` Laurent Pinchart
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2026-07-15 16:43 ` Laurent Pinchart
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2026-07-21 17:12 ` Laurent Pinchart
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2026-07-21 15:43 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
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2026-07-21 16:27 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 12:38 ` Mark Brown
2026-07-15 16:28 ` Laurent Pinchart
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2026-07-16 0:09 ` Roman Gushchin
2026-07-17 12:32 ` Laurent Pinchart
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2026-07-21 18:25 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-21 19:25 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-07-21 22:46 ` Laurent Pinchart
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2026-07-15 3:54 ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-15 7:13 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-15 12:42 ` James Bottomley
2026-07-15 16:18 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 16:53 ` James Bottomley
2026-07-15 17:09 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 16:11 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 17:00 ` Jan Kara
2026-07-15 20:28 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 20:36 ` James Bottomley
2026-07-15 20:42 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-16 0:14 ` Roman Gushchin
2026-07-16 7:04 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-15 23:32 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-07-16 0:03 ` Roman Gushchin
2026-07-21 16:01 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-16 7:21 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-16 13:33 ` Jan Kara
2026-07-21 22:43 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-21 23:44 ` Steven Rostedt
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2026-07-15 17:14 ` Theodore Tso
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2026-07-15 20:13 ` Laurent Pinchart
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