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From: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
To: Yeoreum Yun <yeoreum.yun@arm.com>
Cc: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, kvmarm@lists.linux.dev,
	paul@paul-moore.com, jmorris@namei.org, serge@hallyn.com,
	zohar@linux.ibm.com, roberto.sassu@huawei.com,
	dmitry.kasatkin@gmail.com, eric.snowberg@oracle.com,
	peterhuewe@gmx.de, jarkko@kernel.org, jgg@ziepe.ca,
	sudeep.holla@kernel.org, oupton@kernel.org, joey.gouly@arm.com,
	suzuki.poulose@arm.com, yuzenghui@huawei.com,
	catalin.marinas@arm.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 4/4] firmware: arm_ffa: check pkvm initailised when initailise ffa driver
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2026 09:55:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aeXp7WSqpXNytNPG@willie-the-truck> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aeS4rAeVQ0yJIPYw@e129823.arm.com>

On Sun, Apr 19, 2026 at 12:12:44PM +0100, Yeoreum Yun wrote:
> Hi Marc,
> 
> > On Sat, 18 Apr 2026 11:34:30 +0100,
> > Yeoreum Yun <yeoreum.yun@arm.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > @@ -2035,6 +2037,16 @@ static int __init ffa_init(void)
> > > > >  	u32 buf_sz;
> > > > >  	size_t rxtx_bufsz = SZ_4K;
> > > > >
> > > > > +	/*
> > > > > +	 * When pKVM is enabled, the FF-A driver must be initialized
> > > > > +	 * after pKVM initialization. Otherwise, pKVM cannot negotiate
> > > > > +	 * the FF-A version or obtain RX/TX buffer information,
> > > > > +	 * which leads to failures in FF-A calls.
> > > > > +	 */
> > > > > +	if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_KVM) && is_protected_kvm_enabled() &&
> > > > > +	    !is_kvm_arm_initialised())
> > > > > +		return -EPROBE_DEFER;
> > > > > +
> > > >
> > > > That's still fundamentally wrong: pkvm is not ready until
> > > > finalize_pkvm() has finished, and that's not indicated by
> > > > is_kvm_arm_initialised().
> > >
> > > Thanks. I miss the TSC bit set in here.
> >
> > That's the least of the problems. None of the infrastructure is in
> > place at this stage...
> >
> > > IMHO, I'd like to make an new state check function --
> > > is_pkvm_arm_initialised() so that ff-a driver to know whether
> > > pkvm is initialised.
> >
> > Doesn't sound great, TBH.
> >
> > > or any other suggestion?
> >
> > Instead of adding more esoteric predicates, I'd rather you build on an
> > existing infrastructure. You have a dependency on KVM, use something
> > that is designed to enforce dependencies. Device links spring to mind
> > as something designed for that.
> >
> > Can you look into enabling this for KVM? If that's possible, then it
> > should be easy enough to delay the actual KVM registration after pKVM
> > is finalised.
> 
> or what about some event notifier? Just like:

This seems a bit over-engineered to me. Why don't you just split the
FF-A initialisation into two steps: an early part which does the version
negotiation and then a later part which can fit in with whatever
dependencies you have on the TPM?

Will

  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-20  8:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-17 17:57 [RFC PATCH 0/4] fix FF-A call failed with pKVM when ff-a driver is built-in Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-17 17:57 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] security: ima: move ima_init into late_initcall_sync Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-20 10:32   ` Jonathan McDowell
2026-04-17 17:57 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] tpm: tpm_crb_ffa: revert defered_probed when tpm_crb_ffa is built-in Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-17 17:57 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] firmware: arm_ffa: revert ffa_init() initcall level to device_initcall Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-17 17:57 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] firmware: arm_ffa: check pkvm initailised when initailise ffa driver Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-18  9:24   ` Marc Zyngier
2026-04-18 10:34     ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-19 10:41       ` Marc Zyngier
2026-04-19 11:12         ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-20  8:55           ` Will Deacon [this message]
2026-04-20  9:25             ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-20 10:42               ` Will Deacon
2026-04-20 10:56                 ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-20 15:47                   ` Sudeep Holla
2026-04-20 17:04                     ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-20 12:32   ` Sebastian Ene
2026-04-20 12:46     ` Marc Zyngier
2026-04-20 14:20       ` Sebastian Ene
2026-04-20 15:04         ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-20 16:50         ` Sudeep Holla
2026-04-20 13:00     ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-04-20 14:05       ` Sebastian Ene
2026-04-20 14:47         ` Yeoreum Yun

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