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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: ntl@pobox.com, anton@au1.ibm.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	michael@ellerman.id.au, linuxppc64-dev@ozlabs.org,
	serue@us.ibm.com, paulus@au1.ibm.com, torvalds@osdl.org
Subject: Re: 2.6.15-mm4 failure on power5
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:24:59 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060118002459.3bc8f75a.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060118080828.GA2324@elte.hu>

Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:
>
> 
> * Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org> wrote:
> 
> > > Yes, which would be why this code never triggered a warning when
> > > cpucontrol was a semaphore.
> > 
> > Yup.  Perhaps a sane fix which preserves the unpleasant semantics is 
> > to do irqsave in the mutex debug code.
> 
> i'd much rather remove that ugly hack from __might_sleep(). How many 
> other bugs does it hide?

Gee, it was 2.6.0-test9.  I don't remember, but I do recall the problems
were really really nasty, and what's the point?  We're only running one
thread on one CPU at that time, so none of these things _will_ sleep.

> Does it hide bugs that dont normally trigger 
> during bootups on real hardware, but which could trigger on e.g. UML or 
> on Xen? I really think such ugly workarounds are not justified, if other 
> arches can get their act together. Would you make such an exception for 
> other arches too, like ARM?

Don't care really, as long as a) the problems don't hit -mm or mainline and
b) someone else fixes them.  Yes, it'd be nice to fix these things, and we
might even find real bugs.  Perhaps things are better now, but I suspect
it's a can of worms.

> an irqsave in the mutex debug code will uglify the kernel/mutex.c code - 
> i'd have to add extra "unsigned long flags" lines. [It will also slow 
> down the debug code a bit - an extra PUSHF has to be done.]

Small cost, really...

  reply	other threads:[~2006-01-18  8:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-01-16  6:35 2.6.15-mm4 failure on power5 Serge E. Hallyn
2006-01-16  7:05 ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-16 13:00   ` Michael Ellerman
2006-01-16 15:37     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-01-16 21:52       ` Dave C Boutcher
2006-01-17  1:09         ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-17  8:17           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-17  8:47             ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-17 16:52             ` Dave C Boutcher
2006-01-17 16:55               ` Dave C Boutcher
2006-01-18  6:40                 ` Nathan Lynch
2006-01-18  7:07                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-18  7:53                     ` Nathan Lynch
2006-01-18  8:08                   ` Nathan Lynch
2006-01-17 12:22         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-01-17 13:32         ` Michael Ellerman
2006-01-17 14:00           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-18  0:19             ` Michael Ellerman
2006-01-18  3:32               ` Dave C Boutcher
2006-01-18  6:37                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-18  6:53                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-18  7:04                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-18  7:28                     ` Nathan Lynch
2006-01-18  7:37                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-18  8:08                         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-18  8:24                           ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2006-01-18  9:02                             ` [patch] work around ppc64 bootup bug by making mutex-debugging save/restore irqs Ingo Molnar
2006-01-18  9:18                             ` [patch] turn on might_sleep() in early bootup code too Ingo Molnar
2006-01-18 10:35                               ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-18 10:43                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-18 11:15                                   ` [patch] make bug messages more consistent Ingo Molnar
2006-01-19  4:39                                   ` [patch] turn on might_sleep() in early bootup code too Zwane Mwaikambo
2006-01-18 10:46                                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-01-18 11:07                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-18 12:53                                     ` [patch] add trylock_kernel() Ingo Molnar
2006-01-18  7:38                       ` 2.6.15-mm4 failure on power5 Arjan van de Ven

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