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From: luca abeni <luca.abeni@santannapisa.it>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Yuri Andriaccio <yuri.andriaccio@santannapisa.it>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Yuri Andriaccio <yurand2000@gmail.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, hannes@cmpxchg.org,
	mkoutny@suse.com, cgroups@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v5 20/29] sched/deadline: Allow deeper hierarchies of RT cgroups
Date: Thu, 14 May 2026 09:25:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260514092546.4265d486@luca64> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b549b3cb062f2823ba6d4723b7b9260b@kernel.org>

Hi Tejun,

On Tue, 12 May 2026 08:19:02 -1000
Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> How is a delegated subtree prevented from setting cpu.rt.min = 'root'
> and escaping its ancestors' cpu.rt.max budget?

If I understand well (please correct me :), the following strategy
should address this concern (and the ones expressed in successive
emails):
- cpu.rt.max can be "runtime, period" (or "runtime, period, deadline")
  or "root". "root" gives the current behaviour when RT cgroup
  scheduling is not enabled (so, no need to disable it at build time :)
  - if cpu.rt.max is "root", the cgroup's FIFO/RR tasks are scheduled in
    the root cgroup
  - if cpu.rt.max is "root", the children cgroups can only have "root"
    in cpu.rt.max
- if cpu.rt.max is not "root", then cpu.rt.min (or cpu.rt.internal)
  is "runtime, period" and describes the dl server for this cgroup's
  FIFO/RR tasks.
- The default value for cpu.rt.min is copied from cpu.rt.max, so as a
  default all the CPU utilization of the cgroup is dedicated it its RT
  tasks
- the admission test is: cpu.rt.min utilization plus the sum of the
  children's cpu.rt.max utilizations must be <= cpu.rt.max utilization;
  children can have cpu.rt.max="root" only if cpu.rt.max="root"

Can this work? I think it avoids escaping the parents' cpu.rt.max,
allows for a reasonable default (no-one should be forced to disable this
feature), and should respect all the requirements... Or am I missing
something?



			Thanks,
				Luca

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-05-14  7:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-30 21:38 [RFC PATCH v5 00/29] Hierarchical Constant Bandwidth Server Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 01/29] sched/deadline: Fix replenishment logic for non-deferred servers Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-20  8:34   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 02/29] sched/deadline: Do not access dl_se->rq directly Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 03/29] sched/deadline: Distinguish between dl_rq and my_q Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 04/29] sched/rt: Pass an rt_rq instead of an rq where needed Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 05/29] sched/rt: Move functions from rt.c to sched.h Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 06/29] sched/rt: Disable RT_GROUP_SCHED Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 07/29] sched/rt: Remove unnecessary runqueue pointer in struct rt_rq Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 08/29] sched/rt: Introduce HCBS specific structs in task_group Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 09/29] sched/core: Initialize HCBS specific structures Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 10/29] sched/deadline: Add dl_init_tg Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 11/29] sched/rt: Add {alloc/unregister/free}_rt_sched_group Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 12/29] sched/deadline: Account rt-cgroups bandwidth in deadline tasks schedulability tests Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 13/29] sched/rt: Implement dl-server operations for rt-cgroups Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-05 13:04   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 14/29] sched/rt: Update task event callbacks for HCBS scheduling Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-05 13:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 15/29] sched/rt: Update rt-cgroup schedulability checks Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-05 14:36   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 16/29] sched/rt: Allow zeroing the runtime of the root control group Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 17/29] sched/rt: Remove old RT_GROUP_SCHED data structures Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 18/29] sched/core: Cgroup v2 support Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-05 14:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-06 19:58     ` luca abeni
2026-05-07  7:01       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-07 13:30         ` luca abeni
2026-05-07 14:16           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 19/29] sched/rt: Remove support for cgroups-v1 Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-05 15:01   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-07 15:35     ` Juri Lelli
2026-05-13 12:15       ` Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-13 14:37         ` Juri Lelli
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 20/29] sched/deadline: Allow deeper hierarchies of RT cgroups Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-05 15:15   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-05 19:56     ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-07 10:53       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-07 15:03         ` Juri Lelli
2026-05-07 15:05           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-07 16:39           ` luca abeni
2026-05-11  9:29             ` Juri Lelli
2026-05-11 17:52               ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-07 16:44         ` luca abeni
2026-05-11  9:40         ` luca abeni
2026-05-11 18:15           ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-11 17:37         ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-07 14:30       ` luca abeni
2026-05-11 18:28         ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-12 17:38           ` Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-12 18:19             ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-12 18:20               ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-13 12:08                 ` Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-13 19:10                   ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-14  7:25               ` luca abeni [this message]
2026-05-14 22:20                 ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-18 15:27                   ` Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-18 18:47                     ` Tejun Heo
2026-05-19 21:02                       ` [BULK] " luca abeni
2026-05-20 18:49                         ` Tejun Heo
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 21/29] sched/rt: Update default bandwidth for real-time tasks to ONE Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-20  8:34   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 22/29] sched/rt: Add rt-cgroup migration functions Yuri Andriaccio
2026-05-05 15:20   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-05 15:24   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 23/29] sched/rt: Hook HCBS " Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 24/29] sched/core: Execute enqueued balance callbacks when changing allowed CPUs Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 25/29] sched/rt: Try pull task on empty server pick Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 26/29] sched/core: Execute enqueued balance callbacks after migrate_disable_switch Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 27/29] Documentation: Update documentation for real-time cgroups Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 28/29] sched/rt: Add debug BUG_ONs for pre-migration code Yuri Andriaccio
2026-04-30 21:38 ` [RFC PATCH v5 29/29] sched/rt: Add debug BUG_ONs in migration code Yuri Andriaccio

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