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From: "Durrant, Paul" <pdurrant@amazon.co.uk>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	"Allister, Jack" <jalliste@amazon.co.uk>,
	"tglx@linutronix.de" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>,
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	"hpa@zytor.com" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"rafael@kernel.org" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	"len.brown@intel.com" <len.brown@intel.com>
Cc: "Wang, Jue" <juew@amazon.com>,
	Usama Arif <usama.arif@bytedance.com>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: [PATCH] x86: intel_epb: Add earlyparam option to keep bias at performance
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2023 09:00:57 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53bce76c5c60463eba1372df426a64b9@amazon.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c1e8e8cb-f792-4dcc-a72f-fbebe4476a1b@intel.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
> Sent: 04 December 2023 17:45
> To: Allister, Jack <jalliste@amazon.co.uk>; tglx@linutronix.de;
> mingo@redhat.com; bp@alien8.de; dave.hansen@linux.intel.com;
> hpa@zytor.com; rafael@kernel.org; len.brown@intel.com
> Cc: Durrant, Paul <pdurrant@amazon.co.uk>; Wang, Jue <juew@amazon.com>;
> Usama Arif <usama.arif@bytedance.com>; x86@kernel.org; Hans de Goede
> <hdegoede@redhat.com>; Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>; Rafael J.
> Wysocki <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>; linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] [PATCH] x86: intel_epb: Add earlyparam option to
> keep bias at performance
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> On 12/4/23 09:28, Jack Allister wrote:
> > There are certain scenarios where it may be intentional that the EPB was
> > set at to 0/ENERGY_PERF_BIAS_PERFORMANCE on kernel boot. For example, in
> > data centers a kexec/live-update of the kernel may be performed
> regularly.
> >
> > Usually this live-update is time critical and defaulting of the bias
> back
> > to ENERGY_PERF_BIAS_NORMAL may actually be detrimental to the overall
> > update time if processors' time to ramp up/boost are affected.
> >
> > This patch introduces a kernel command line "intel_epb_keep_performance"
> > which will leave the EPB at performance if during the restoration code
> path
> > it is detected as such.
> 
> Folks, while I appreciate the effort to upstream thing that you have
> kept out of tree up until now, I don't think this is the right way.
> 
> In general new kernel command-line options are a last resort.
> 
> > diff --git a/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/intel_epb.c
> b/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/intel_epb.c
> > index e4c3ba91321c..0c7dd092f723 100644
> > --- a/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/intel_epb.c
> > +++ b/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/intel_epb.c
> > @@ -50,7 +50,8 @@
> >   * the OS will do that anyway.  That sometimes is problematic, as it
> may cause
> >   * the system battery to drain too fast, for example, so it is better
> to adjust
> >   * it on CPU bring-up and if the initial EPB value for a given CPU is
> 0, the
> > - * kernel changes it to 6 ('normal').
> > + * kernel changes it to 6 ('normal'). This however is overridable via
> > + * intel_epb_keep_performance if required.
> >   */
> >
> >  static DEFINE_PER_CPU(u8, saved_epb);
> > @@ -75,6 +76,8 @@ static u8 energ_perf_values[] = {
> >       [EPB_INDEX_POWERSAVE] = ENERGY_PERF_BIAS_POWERSAVE,
> >  };
> >
> > +static bool intel_epb_keep_performance __read_mostly;
> > +
> >  static int intel_epb_save(void)
> >  {
> >       u64 epb;
> > @@ -107,8 +110,12 @@ static void intel_epb_restore(void)
> >                */
> >               val = epb & EPB_MASK;
> >               if (val == ENERGY_PERF_BIAS_PERFORMANCE) {
> > -                     val = energ_perf_values[EPB_INDEX_NORMAL];
> > -                     pr_warn_once("ENERGY_PERF_BIAS: Set to 'normal',
> was 'performance'\n");
> > +                     if (!intel_epb_keep_performance) {
> > +                             val = energ_perf_values[EPB_INDEX_NORMAL];
> > +                             pr_warn_once("ENERGY_PERF_BIAS: Set to
> 'normal', was 'performance'\n");
> > +                     } else {
> > +                             pr_warn_once("ENERGY_PERF_BIAS: Kept at
> 'performance', no change\n");
> > +                     }
> >               }
> 
> This is fundamentally a hack.
> 

Actually, it's working round a hack. The existing coment in the code just above that hunk is:

101                /*                                                                                                             
102                 * Because intel_epb_save() has not run for the current CPU yet,                                               
103                 * it is going online for the first time, so if its EPB value is                                               
104                 * 0 ('performance') at this point, assume that it has not been                                                
105                 * initialized by the platform firmware and set it to 6                                                        
106                 * ('normal').                                                                                                 
107                 */

> It sounds like you want the system default to be at
> ENERGY_PERF_BIAS_PERFORMANCE.  You also mentioned that this was done "on
> kernel boot".  How did you do that, exactly?  Shouldn't that "on kernel
> boot" action be reflected over here rather than introducing another
> command-line parameter?
> 

The problem is that this will take effect even on a kexec and hence it is throttling
a system that set ENERGY_PERF_BIAS_PERFORMANCE prior to the kexec.  We use kexec to
live update the host kernel of our systems whilst leaving virtual machines running.
This resetting of the perf bias is having a very detrimental effect on the downtime
of our systems across the live update - about a 7 fold increase.

  Paul

  reply	other threads:[~2023-12-05  9:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-12-04 17:28 [PATCH] x86: intel_epb: Add earlyparam option to keep bias at performance Jack Allister
2023-12-04 17:44 ` Dave Hansen
2023-12-05  9:00   ` Durrant, Paul [this message]
2023-12-05 12:00     ` David Woodhouse
2023-12-05 12:12       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2023-12-05 12:15         ` David Woodhouse
2023-12-05 12:31           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2023-12-05 12:32             ` David Woodhouse
2023-12-05 12:43               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2023-12-05 15:19         ` Dave Hansen
2023-12-05 15:27           ` Dave Hansen
2023-12-05 10:23   ` Jack Allister
2023-12-05 12:48 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2023-12-05 13:13   ` Jack Allister
2023-12-05 13:23     ` [PATCH v3] " Jack Allister
2023-12-05 15:26       ` Dave Hansen
2023-12-05 13:30     ` [PATCH] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2023-12-05 15:14       ` [PATCH v4] " Jack Allister
2023-12-05 16:17         ` Dave Hansen
2024-01-02 14:46           ` Jack Allister
2024-01-02 15:09             ` Dave Hansen
2024-01-03 14:46               ` [PATCH v5] " Jack Allister
2024-01-03 15:17                 ` Dave Hansen
2024-01-04  9:05                   ` [PATCH v6] " Jack Allister
2024-01-04  9:22                     ` Durrant, Paul
2024-01-03 15:18                 ` [External] [PATCH v5] " Usama Arif
2024-01-04  9:00                   ` Jack Allister

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