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From: Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>
To: Jacob Pan <jacob.pan@linux.microsoft.com>
Cc: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"iommu@lists.linux.dev" <iommu@lists.linux.dev>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Mostafa Saleh <smostafa@google.com>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Zhang Yu <zhangyu1@linux.microsoft.com>,
	Jean Philippe-Brucker <jean-philippe@linaro.org>,
	Alexander Grest <Alexander.Grest@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Improve CMDQ lock fairness and efficiency
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2025 19:00:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aQQYIkC9lmQnd27S@Asurada-Nvidia> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251020224353.1408-3-jacob.pan@linux.microsoft.com>

On Mon, Oct 20, 2025 at 03:43:53PM -0700, Jacob Pan wrote:
> From: Alexander Grest <Alexander.Grest@microsoft.com>
> 
> The SMMU CMDQ lock is highly contentious when there are multiple CPUs
> issuing commands on an architecture with small queue sizes e.g 256
> entries.

As Robin pointed out that 256 entry itself is not quite normal,
the justification here might still not be very convincing..

I'd suggest to avoid saying "an architecture with a small queue
sizes, but to focus on the issue itself -- potential starvation.
"256-entry" can be used a testing setup to reproduce the issue.

> The lock has the following states:
>  - 0:		Unlocked
>  - >0:		Shared lock held with count
>  - INT_MIN+N:	Exclusive lock held, where N is the # of shared waiters
>  - INT_MIN:	Exclusive lock held, no shared waiters
> 
> When multiple CPUs are polling for space in the queue, they attempt to
> grab the exclusive lock to update the cons pointer from the hardware. If
> they fail to get the lock, they will spin until either the cons pointer
> is updated by another CPU.
> 
> The current code allows the possibility of shared lock starvation
> if there is a constant stream of CPUs trying to grab the exclusive lock.
> This leads to severe latency issues and soft lockups.

It'd be nicer to have a graph to show how the starvation might
happen due to a race:

CPU0 (exclusive)  | CPU1 (shared)     | CPU2 (exclusive)    | `cmdq->lock`
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
trylock() //takes |                   |                     | 0
                  | shared_lock()     |                     | INT_MIN
                  | fetch_inc()       |                     | INT_MIN
                  | no return         |                     | INT_MIN + 1
                  | spins // VAL >= 0 |                     | INT_MIN + 1
unlock()          | spins...          |                     | INT_MIN + 1
set_release(0)    | spins...          |                     | 0  <-- BUG?
(done)            | (sees 0)          | trylock() // takes  | 0
                  | *exits loop*      | cmpxchg(0, INT_MIN) | 0
                  |                   | *cuts in*           | INT_MIN
                  | cmpxchg(0, 1)     |                     | INT_MIN
                  | fails // != 0     |                     | INT_MIN
                  | spins // VAL >= 0 |                     | INT_MIN
                  | *starved*         |                     | INT_MIN

And point it out that it should have reserved the "+1" from CPU1
instead of nuking the entire cmdq->lock to 0.

> In a staged test where 32 CPUs issue SVA invalidations simultaneously on
> a system with a 256 entry queue, the madvise (MADV_DONTNEED) latency
> dropped by 50% with this patch and without soft lockups.

This might not be very useful per Robin's remarks. I'd drop it.

> Reviewed-by: Mostafa Saleh <smostafa@google.com>
> Signed-off-by: Alexander Grest <Alexander.Grest@microsoft.com>
> Signed-off-by: Jacob Pan <jacob.pan@linux.microsoft.com>

Reviewed-by: Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>

> @@ -500,9 +506,14 @@ static bool arm_smmu_cmdq_shared_tryunlock(struct arm_smmu_cmdq *cmdq)
>  	__ret;								\
>  })
>  
> +/*
> + * Only clear the sign bit when releasing the exclusive lock this will
> + * allow any shared_lock() waiters to proceed without the possibility
> + * of entering the exclusive lock in a tight loop.
> + */
>  #define arm_smmu_cmdq_exclusive_unlock_irqrestore(cmdq, flags)		\
>  ({									\
> -	atomic_set_release(&cmdq->lock, 0);				\
> +	atomic_fetch_and_release(~INT_MIN, &cmdq->lock);				\

Align the tailing spacing with other lines please.

Nicolin

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-31  2:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-20 22:43 [PATCH v2 0/2] SMMU v3 CMDQ fix and improvement Jacob Pan
2025-10-20 22:43 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Fix CMDQ timeout warning Jacob Pan
2025-10-30 22:41   ` Nicolin Chen
2025-11-03 23:16     ` Jacob Pan
2025-11-04  1:23       ` Nicolin Chen
2025-11-04 18:25         ` Jacob Pan
2025-11-04 18:48           ` Nicolin Chen
2025-11-04 19:37             ` Jacob Pan
2025-10-20 22:43 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Improve CMDQ lock fairness and efficiency Jacob Pan
2025-10-31  2:00   ` Nicolin Chen [this message]
2025-11-04  1:08     ` Jacob Pan
2025-10-30 15:42 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] SMMU v3 CMDQ fix and improvement Jacob Pan

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