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From: "Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@nvidia.com>
To: "Eliot Courtney" <ecourtney@nvidia.com>
Cc: "John Hubbard" <jhubbard@nvidia.com>, <sashiko-bot@kernel.org>,
	<sashiko-reviews@lists.linux.dev>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"David Airlie" <airlied@gmail.com>,
	"Simona Vetter" <simona@ffwll.ch>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>, "Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Alistair Popple" <apopple@nvidia.com>,
	"Timur Tabi" <ttabi@nvidia.com>, "Zhi Wang" <zhiw@nvidia.com>,
	<nova-gpu@lists.linux.dev>, <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	<ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"dri-devel" <dri-devel-bounces@lists.freedesktop.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 11/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: cmdq: use consume_element to implement drain
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2026 21:20:35 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DMAIFKNP08DM.12P9VGV6DCUWK@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DMA702E74W05.2L7ZRW1M6H3NM@nvidia.com>

On Wed Oct 21, 2026 at 12:23 PM JST, Eliot Courtney wrote:
> On Wed Oct 21, 2026 at 12:12 PM JST, John Hubbard wrote:
>> On 10/20/26 7:57 PM, Eliot Courtney wrote:
>>> On Tue Oct 20, 2026 at 11:27 PM JST, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
>>>> On Tue Oct 20, 2026 at 7:18 PM JST, sashiko-bot wrote:
>>> 
>>> [...]
>>> 
>>>>> In rust/kernel/io/poll.rs:read_poll_timeout(), when the condition is
>>>>> false, the timeout check uses a strict greater-than comparison:
>>>>>
>>>>>         if start.elapsed() > timeout_delta {
>>>>>             // Unlike the C version, we immediately return.
>>>>>             // We have just called `op()` so we don't need to call it again.
>>>>>             return Err(ETIMEDOUT);
>>>>>         }
>>>>>
>>>>>         if !sleep_delta.is_zero() {
>>>>>             fsleep(sleep_delta);
>>>>>         }
>>>>>
>>>>> Because op() only reads two u32 indices from coherent memory in RAM, if
>>>>> the monotonic clock has not advanced by at least 1 ns between
>>>>> Instant::now() and start.elapsed() (for instance on architectures with
>>>>> coarser timer resolution or under virtualization), start.elapsed() is
>>>>> Delta::ZERO. Since Delta::ZERO > Delta::ZERO is false,
>>>>> read_poll_timeout() falls through to fsleep(Delta::from_millis(1)) while
>>>>> holding the Cmdq mutex (in paths like GspInterrupt::handle_threaded() ->
>>>>> Cmdq::drain() and Gpu::new() -> Cmdq::drain()).
>>>>>
>>>>> Would it make sense to keep the while
>>>>> !self.gsp_mem.driver_read_area().0.is_empty() loop condition around
>>>>> self.consume_element(Delta::ZERO, |message| message.log(self.dev))?
>>>>
>>>> Mmm, that's an interesting one, in that I am not sure there are any
>>>> concrete implications but I'd like to fix it anyway.
>>>>
>>>> I was thinking that maybe we should add a special-case to
>>>> `read_poll_timeout` so it returns unconditionally after checking the
>>>> condition once if `timeout_delta == Delta::ZERO`, but doing so would
>>>> make the `sleep_delta` argument moot so I guess that's not adequate (and
>>>> the current behavior is technically correct). So I think I'll
>>>> special-case nova-core's `wait_for_msg` instead.
>>> 
>>> Personally I don't mind the special case in `read_poll_timeout`.
>>> If you say, I want the timeout to be zero and then it sleeps, that
>>> sounds like wonky behaviour to me. I think it feels weird to have
>>
>> Yes, it's odd behavior by the function, but on the other hand,
>> it pairs perfectly with the odd behavior of the caller. :)
>>
>> Let's avoid special casing. Just let the zero flow naturally
>> through the function and leave it alone. Special casing should
>> only be added in special cases!
>>
>>
>>> this special case w.r.t. `sleep_delta` only because we are using
>>> constant values and that's a common use case. TBH I think it would
>>> even be fine to change `start.elapsed() > timeout_delta` to
>>> `start.elapsed() >= timeout_delta`, then it's not even really a
>>> special case. I could try sending a patch for this.
>>> 
>>> I'm also fine with special casing `wait_for_msg`, but personally
>>> (maybe) sleeping when you set timeout to Delta::ZERO sounds busted to
>>> me.
>>
>> It's not necessarily wrong, depending on how you think about it:
>> "sleep, but timeout at zero" is something I've seen used (I forget
>> where) as to mean "context switch away", kind of like a cpu_relax().
>
> Here, it only sometimes sleeps ("(maybe)"), depending on the resolution
> of the timer and how long stuff takes. So it's really pretty
> inconsistent IMO.

The alternative if we special-case `read_poll_timeout` is that the
`sleep_delta` argument becomes meaningless, which from an API
perspective does not sound right to me. With the current behavior, even
if we pass `Delta::ZERO` the semantics of the function (which is "wait
for at least at least `timeout_delta` and sleep for `sleep_delta` if you
need to test a second time"), still parses. Special-casing would
complicate this, which is why I would rather lean towards doing that on
the caller side.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-10-21 12:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-20 10:08 [PATCH v5 00/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: prepare the command queue for r000 dual-message types Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-20 10:08 ` [PATCH v5 01/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: cmdq: remove stale comment Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-20 11:43   ` Eliot Courtney
2026-10-20 10:08 ` [PATCH v5 02/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: cmdq: simplify framing error description Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-20 11:43   ` Eliot Courtney
2026-10-20 10:08 ` [PATCH v5 03/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: cmdq: validate checksum earlier on receive Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-20 10:08 ` [PATCH v5 04/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: introduce and use proper RpcMessageHeader type Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-20 10:08 ` [PATCH v5 05/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: cmdq: group the RPC-specific part of send_single_command Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-20 10:08 ` [PATCH v5 06/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: cmdq: split the transport part of the send path Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-20 10:08 ` [PATCH v5 07/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: cmdq: split RPC parsing part of the receive path Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-20 10:08 ` [PATCH v5 08/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: cmdq: move RPC message logging to RpcMessage Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-20 10:08 ` [PATCH v5 09/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: cmdq: split the transport part of the receive path Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-21  1:56   ` Eliot Courtney
2026-10-20 10:08 ` [PATCH v5 10/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: cmdq: extract await_msg_with from await_msg Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-21  2:00   ` Eliot Courtney
2026-10-20 10:08 ` [PATCH v5 11/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: cmdq: use consume_element to implement drain Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-20 10:18   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-20 14:27     ` Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-21  2:57       ` Eliot Courtney
2026-10-21  3:12         ` John Hubbard
2026-10-21  3:23           ` Eliot Courtney
2026-10-21  4:05             ` John Hubbard
2026-10-21 12:20             ` Alexandre Courbot [this message]
2026-10-21  2:58   ` Eliot Courtney
2026-10-20 10:08 ` [PATCH v5 12/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: cmdq: move the RPC code into a sub-module Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-20 10:15   ` sashiko-bot
2026-10-20 10:08 ` [PATCH v5 13/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: move the RPC commands " Alexandre Courbot
2026-10-20 10:08 ` [PATCH v5 14/14] gpu: nova-core: gsp: add `rpc` to RPC message send/receive methods Alexandre Courbot

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