Discussion of the implementations of VIRTIO specification
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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Cornelia Huck <cohuck@redhat.com>
Cc: virtio-comment@lists.oasis-open.org,
	virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org, jasowang@redhat.com,
	sgarzare@redhat.com, stefanha@redhat.com, nrupal.jani@intel.com,
	Piotr.Uminski@intel.com, hang.yuan@intel.com,
	virtio@lists.oasis-open.org,
	Zhu Lingshan <lingshan.zhu@intel.com>,
	pasic@linux.ibm.com, Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@nvidia.com>,
	Parav Pandit <parav@nvidia.com>,
	Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 4/9] admin: introduce virtio admin virtqueues
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 14:31:44 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20221122142342-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8735abf7ww.fsf@redhat.com>

On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 02:14:23PM +0100, Cornelia Huck wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 20 2022, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > The admin virtqueues will be the first interface to issue admin commands.
> >
> > Currently virtio specification defines control virtqueue to manipulate
> > features and configuration of the device it operates on. However,
> > control virtqueue commands are device type specific, which makes it very
> > difficult to extend for device agnostic commands.
> >
> > To support this requirement in a more generic way, this patch introduces
> > a new admin virtqueue interface.
> >
> > We also support more than one admin virtqueue, for QoS and
> > scalability requirements.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>
> > Signed-off-by: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
> > ---
> >  admin.tex   | 53 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >  content.tex |  6 ++++--
> >  2 files changed, 57 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> >
> > diff --git a/admin.tex b/admin.tex
> > index 507e188..bfa63a2 100644
> > --- a/admin.tex
> > +++ b/admin.tex
> > @@ -128,3 +128,56 @@ \subsection{Group administration commands}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virti
> >  other   & -    & group administration command error  \\
> >  \hline
> >  \end{tabular}
> > +
> > +\section{Administration Virtqueues}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Administration Virtqueues}
> > +
> > +An administration virtqueue of an owner device is used to submit
> > +group administration commands. An owner device can have more
> > +than one administration virtqueue.
> > +
> > +Administration virtqueues exists for a certain owner device if
> > +VIRTIO_F_ADMIN_VQ feature has been negotiated. The index of the
> > +first administration virtqueue and their number is exposed by the
> > +owner device in a transport specific manner.
> 
> (Do we always expect admin virtqueues to use a range of indices, i.e. no
> holes? That seems a bit limiting.)

For the device?
I frankly feel it's enough, yea.

> What about
> 
> "If VIRTIO_F_ADMIN_VQ has been negotiated, an owner device exposes one
> or more adminstration virtqueues. The number and locations of the
> administration virtqueues is exposed by the owner device in a transport
> specific manner."




> > +
> > +The driver submits commands by queueing them to an arbitrary
> > +administration virtqueue, and they are processed by the
> > +device in the order in which they are queued. It is the
> > +responsibility of the driver to ensure ordering for commands
> > +placed on different administration virtqueues, because they will
> > +be executed with no order constraints.
> 
> Are all admin vqs supposed to be equal? Could a device expose e.g. a
> high prio admin vq and a normal prio admin vq?


ATM yes, for priority we'll need a separate capability. Work on top?

> > +
> > +Administration virtqueues are used as follows:
> > +\begin{itemize}
> > +\item Driver submits the command using the \field{struct virtio_admin_cmd}
> 
> s/Driver/The driver/
> 
> > +structure using two buffers: a device-readable one followed by a
> > +device-writable one.
> > +\item the device-readable buffer includes fields from \field{opcode}
> > +through \field{command_specific_data}.
> > +\item the device-writeable buffer includes fields from \field{status}
> > +through \field{command_specific_result} inclusive.
> > +\end{itemize}
> > +
> > +It is legal for the driver to submit commands with
> > +device-writeable and device-readable structures with buffer
> > +length both shorter or longer than the length of the
> > +\field{command_specific_data} structure described in this
> > +specification. Device silently truncates the structures to the
> 
> s/Device/The device/
> 
> > +shorter of the two lengths (submitted by driver and described in this
> > +specification).
> 
> "...to either the length submitted by the driver, or the length
> described in this specification, whichever is shorter."
> 
> > Device silently ignores any data falling outside
> 
> s/Device/The device/
> 
> > +the shorter of the two lengths. Any missing fields are assumed to be
> > +set to zero.
> > +
> > +Similarly, it is legal for the device to use, for a specific
> > +command, a shorter part of the \field{command_specific_result}
> > +buffer than the length of the structure described in this
> > +specification. Driver silently ignores any data falling outside
> 
> s/Driver/The driver/
> 
> > +the used buffer length reported by the device.  Any missing
> > +fields are assumed to be set to zero.
> > +
> > +This simplifies driver implementations since the driver can
> > +simply maintain a single large C structure for a command and its
> > +result. As new versions of the specification are designed,
> > +new fields can be added to the tail of a structure,
> > +with driver using the full structure without concern
> 
> s/driver/the driver/
> 
> > +for versioning.
> > diff --git a/content.tex b/content.tex
> > index 9deacbf..d2fd1de 100644
> > --- a/content.tex
> > +++ b/content.tex
> > @@ -99,10 +99,10 @@ \section{Feature Bits}\label{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Feature B
> >  \begin{description}
> >  \item[0 to 23, and 50 to 127] Feature bits for the specific device type
> >  
> > -\item[24 to 40] Feature bits reserved for extensions to the queue and
> > +\item[24 to 41] Feature bits reserved for extensions to the queue and
> >    feature negotiation mechanisms
> >  
> > -\item[41 to 49, and 128 and above] Feature bits reserved for future extensions.
> > +\item[42 to 49, and 128 and above] Feature bits reserved for future extensions.
> >  \end{description}
> >  
> >  \begin{note}
> > @@ -6985,6 +6985,8 @@ \chapter{Reserved Feature Bits}\label{sec:Reserved Feature Bits}
> >    that the driver can reset a queue individually.
> >    See \ref{sec:Basic Facilities of a Virtio Device / Virtqueues / Virtqueue Reset}.
> >  
> > +  \item[VIRTIO_F_ADMIN_VQ (41)] This feature indicates that an administration virtqueue is supported.
> 
> "This feature indicates that the device exposes one or more
> administration virtqueues." ?
> 
> > +
> >  \end{description}
> >  
> >  \drivernormative{\section}{Reserved Feature Bits}{Reserved Feature Bits}

other looks good will adopt, thanks!


  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-22 19:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-21  1:25 [PATCH v8 0/9] Introduce device group and device management Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-21  1:25 ` [PATCH v8 1/9] virtio: document forward compatibility guarantees Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-21 15:24   ` [virtio] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-22 20:26     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-23  9:21       ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-23  9:28         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-21  1:25 ` [PATCH v8 2/9] admin: introduce device group and related concepts Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-22 12:11   ` [virtio] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-22 20:17     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-23  9:26       ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-21  1:25 ` [PATCH v8 3/9] admin: introduce group administration commands Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-22 12:43   ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-21  1:25 ` [PATCH v8 4/9] admin: introduce virtio admin virtqueues Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-22 13:14   ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-22 19:31     ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2022-11-23  9:30       ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-23  9:32         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-23  9:54           ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-21  1:25 ` [PATCH v8 5/9] pci: add admin vq registers to virtio over pci Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-22 14:46   ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-22 19:23     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-23  9:36       ` [virtio-comment] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-23  9:38         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-21  1:25 ` [PATCH v8 6/9] mmio: document ADMIN_VQ as reserved Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-21  1:25 ` [PATCH v8 7/9] ccw: " Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-21 15:53   ` [virtio] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-21 16:48     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-21 17:09     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-22  8:50       ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-22  9:51         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-21  1:25 ` [PATCH v8 8/9] admin: command list discovery Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-21 11:06   ` Uminski, Piotr
2022-12-15  9:09     ` [virtio-comment] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-12-15  9:52       ` Uminski, Piotr
2022-12-24 18:17         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-22 15:25   ` [virtio] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-22 19:17     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-23  9:51       ` [virtio] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-23 10:00         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-23 10:09           ` [virtio] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-23 10:16             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-23 10:33               ` [virtio] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-23 11:21                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-21  1:25 ` [PATCH v8 9/9] admin: conformance clauses Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-22 16:06   ` [virtio] " Cornelia Huck
2022-11-22 19:20     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2022-11-23  9:52       ` [virtio-dev] " Cornelia Huck

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