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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@SteelEye.com>
To: Jesse Barnes <jbarnes@engr.sgi.com>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@debian.org>,
	Grant Grundler <grundler@parisc-linux.org>,
	Andrew Vasquez <andrew.vasquez@qlogic.com>,
	pj@sgi.com, SCSI Mailing List <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	mdr@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, jeremy@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com,
	djh@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: SCSI QLA not working on latest *-mm SN2
Date: 21 Sep 2004 13:20:08 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1095787216.2507.340.camel@mulgrave> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200409211303.19110.jbarnes@engr.sgi.com>

On Tue, 2004-09-21 at 13:03, Jesse Barnes wrote:
> +Driver writers are responsible for ensuring that I/O writes to memory-mapped
> +addresses on their device arrive when expected and in the order intended.

Really, no.  You're making the document more confusing.  PCI devices
have *two* types of non DMA accesses (well, three, but lets forget
configuration space for the moment).

I/O Space accesses (what we call PIO) and memory accesses (what we call
MMIO)

> +This is typically done by reading a 'safe' device or bridge register, causing
> +the I/O chipset to flush pending writes to the device before any reads are

Not "bridge register" the specs say this must be an access to the
device's space.

> +sent to the target device.  A driver would usually use this technique
> +immediately prior to a read after a card reset or the exit of a critical
> +section of code protected by spinlocks.  This would ensure that subsequent I/O
> +space accesses arrived only after all prior writes.  There are really two
> +issues at play here, one is 'posting', i.e. memory-mapped I/O writes not sent
> +to the device immediately, and ordering, where on a large system writes from
> +different CPUs may arrive out of order.
>  
> -        ...
> +Some pseudocode to illustrate the problem of write posting:
> +
> +...
> +spin_lock_irqsave(&dev_lock, flags)
> +...
> +writel(resetval, reset_reg); /* reset the card */
> +udelay(10); /* wait for reset (also needs pioflush) */
> +val = readl(ring_ptr); /* read initial value */
> +spin_unlock_irqrestore(&dev_lock, flags)
> +...
> +
> +In this case, the card is reset by the first write.  The driver attempts to
> +wait for the completion of the reset using udelay.  But since the write may be
> +delayed and the udelay will probably start executing right away, it may be
> +that there's not enough time for the write to actually arrive at the card and
> +for the reset to occur before the read is executed.  On some platforms, this
> +can result in a machine check.  Unfortunately, there's no way to guarantee
> +that a write has arrived at a device short of a read from the same address

Not same address space, any address space (IO, memory or config) of the
device will do.

> +space, so in some cases, udelay() is the only option.  In any case, the driver
> +should issue an ioflush() call prior to the udelay(), passing in 0 for the

No; using udelay() to try to wait for the flush of posted writes to
occur is always a bug.

> +addr argument if no safe register exists.  This will allow the platform to
> +make an effort to get the write as close to the device as possible before
> +allowing the udelay to begin.

What ioflush() call?  There's no such thing in PCI; this is effectively
our problem.  If there were a nice flush instruction we wouldn't have to
worry about reading from somewhere on the device.  The problem is that
there's no a-priori way of knowing what read is safe to do, so there's
no generic way to extract a posting flush API.

James



  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-09-21 17:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <B179AE41C1147041AA1121F44614F0B060EF48@AVEXCH02.qlogic.org>
     [not found] ` <20040916121235.5e4f9c32.pj@sgi.com>
     [not found]   ` <1095362263.16326.12.camel@praka>
2004-09-16 19:56     ` SCSI QLA not working on latest *-mm SN2 Paul Jackson
2004-09-16 20:05       ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-16 20:56         ` Andrew Vasquez
2004-09-16 21:09           ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-16 21:40             ` Andrew Vasquez
2004-09-16 22:25               ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-16 22:29                 ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-17 17:21                   ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-18  6:10                     ` Grant Grundler
2004-09-18 17:57                       ` Documentation/io_ordering.txt is wrong Matthew Wilcox
2004-09-20 23:39                         ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-21  0:38                         ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-20 22:40                       ` SCSI QLA not working on latest *-mm SN2 Jesse Barnes
2004-09-20 23:27                         ` Grant Grundler
2004-09-21  0:09                           ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-21  5:46                             ` Grant Grundler
2004-09-21  6:45                               ` Jeremy Higdon
2004-09-21 13:29                                 ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-21 13:25                               ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-21 15:13                               ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-21 15:41                                 ` James Bottomley
2004-09-21 15:58                                   ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-21 16:01                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2004-09-21 16:05                                       ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-21 16:11                                         ` James Bottomley
2004-09-21 16:18                                           ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-21 16:24                                             ` James Bottomley
2004-09-21 17:03                                           ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-21 17:15                                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2004-09-21 17:24                                               ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-21 17:20                                             ` James Bottomley [this message]
2004-09-21 17:46                                               ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-21 17:56                                                 ` James Bottomley
2004-09-21 18:09                                                   ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-21 19:06                                                     ` Grant Grundler
2004-09-21 19:40                                                       ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-21 22:44                                                         ` Grant Grundler
2004-09-21 21:03                                                       ` Jeremy Higdon
2004-09-21 21:11                                                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2004-09-21 21:43                                                           ` Jeremy Higdon
2004-09-21 22:33                                                             ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-22  0:02                                                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2004-09-22  1:16                                                               ` Jeremy Higdon
2004-09-22  1:44                                                                 ` Grant Grundler
2004-09-22  2:58                                                                   ` Jeremy Higdon
2004-09-22 14:32                                                                     ` I/O write ordering Matthew Wilcox
2004-09-22 14:40                                                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-09-22 14:50                                                                         ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-22 14:47                                                                       ` James Bottomley
2004-09-22 14:51                                                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-09-22 15:11                                                                           ` James Bottomley
2004-09-22 15:11                                                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-09-22 15:22                                                                               ` James Bottomley
2004-09-22 15:28                                                                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-09-22 15:43                                                                                   ` James Bottomley
2004-09-23  0:19                                                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-09-23  1:58                                                                                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2004-09-23  3:01                                                                                         ` James Bottomley
2004-09-23  3:40                                                                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-09-23  4:26                                                                                             ` Grant Grundler
2004-09-21 23:03                             ` SCSI QLA not working on latest *-mm SN2 Guennadi Liakhovetski
2004-09-16 23:14           ` Jeremy Higdon
2004-09-16 20:11       ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-21 21:22 Andrew Vasquez
2004-09-21 21:44 ` Jeremy Higdon
2004-09-21 22:37   ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-21 22:49     ` Jeremy Higdon
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-09-21 20:50 Andrew Vasquez
2004-09-21 21:06 ` Jeremy Higdon
2004-09-21 22:36   ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-21 22:39     ` Jeremy Higdon
2004-09-21 22:43       ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-21 22:54         ` Jeremy Higdon
2004-09-21 23:17           ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-22 21:33             ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-21 17:33 Andrew Vasquez
2004-09-21 17:52 ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-21 18:04 ` Matthew Wilcox
2004-09-21 18:59 ` Matthew Wilcox
2004-09-21 19:10   ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-21 15:58 Andrew Vasquez
2004-09-21 16:07 ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-21 16:25 ` Matthew Wilcox
2004-09-21 16:33   ` James Bottomley
2004-09-21 20:39     ` Jeremy Higdon
2004-09-21 20:43   ` Jeremy Higdon
2004-09-17 22:55 Andrew Vasquez
2004-09-17 23:10 ` Jesse Barnes
2004-09-17 23:55 ` James Bottomley
2004-09-18  1:15   ` Andrew Vasquez
2004-09-18  1:25     ` Matthew Wilcox
2004-09-18  1:24       ` Andrew Vasquez
2004-09-18  2:36       ` Jeremy Higdon
2004-09-18 19:12       ` James Bottomley
2004-09-15 22:51 Paul Jackson
2004-09-15 23:13 ` Andrew Morton

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