From: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Mark Langsdorf <mark.langsdorf@amd.com>,
Joerg Roedel <joerg.roedel@amd.com>,
kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH][KVM][retry 1] Add support for Pause Filtering to AMD SVM
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 17:01:49 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1242054109.11251.276.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A083B69.6010702@redhat.com>
On Mon, 2009-05-11 at 17:51 +0300, Avi Kivity wrote:
> Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > * Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>> I.e. this is a somewhat poor solution as far as scheduling goes.
> >>> But i'm wondering what the CPU side does. Can REP-NOP really take
> >>> thousands of cycles? If yes, under what circumstances?
> >>>
> >> The guest is running rep-nop in a loop while trying to acquire a
> >> spinlock. The hardware detects this (most likely, repeated
> >> rep-nop with the same rip) and exits. We can program the loop
> >> count; obviously if we're spinning for only a short while it's
> >> better to keep spinning while hoping the lock will be released
> >> soon.
> >>
> >> The idea is to detect that the guest is not making forward
> >> progress and yield. If I could tell the scheduler, you may charge
> >> me a couple of milliseconds, I promise not to sue, that would be
> >> ideal. [...]
> >>
> >
> > Ok, with such a waiver, who could refuse?
> >
> > This really needs a new kernel-internal scheduler API though, which
> > does a lot of fancy things to do:
> >
> > se->vruntime += 1000000;
> >
> > i.e. add 1 msec worth of nanoseconds to the task's timeline. (first
> > remove it from the rbtree, then add it back, and nice-weight it as
> > well)
>
> I suspected it would be as simple as this.
Is that thread guaranteed to run as SCHED_OTHER?
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From: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Mark Langsdorf <mark.langsdorf@amd.com>,
Joerg Roedel <joerg.roedel@amd.com>,
kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH][retry 1] Add support for Pause Filtering to AMD SVM
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 17:01:49 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1242054109.11251.276.camel@twins> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A083B69.6010702@redhat.com>
On Mon, 2009-05-11 at 17:51 +0300, Avi Kivity wrote:
> Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > * Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>> I.e. this is a somewhat poor solution as far as scheduling goes.
> >>> But i'm wondering what the CPU side does. Can REP-NOP really take
> >>> thousands of cycles? If yes, under what circumstances?
> >>>
> >> The guest is running rep-nop in a loop while trying to acquire a
> >> spinlock. The hardware detects this (most likely, repeated
> >> rep-nop with the same rip) and exits. We can program the loop
> >> count; obviously if we're spinning for only a short while it's
> >> better to keep spinning while hoping the lock will be released
> >> soon.
> >>
> >> The idea is to detect that the guest is not making forward
> >> progress and yield. If I could tell the scheduler, you may charge
> >> me a couple of milliseconds, I promise not to sue, that would be
> >> ideal. [...]
> >>
> >
> > Ok, with such a waiver, who could refuse?
> >
> > This really needs a new kernel-internal scheduler API though, which
> > does a lot of fancy things to do:
> >
> > se->vruntime += 1000000;
> >
> > i.e. add 1 msec worth of nanoseconds to the task's timeline. (first
> > remove it from the rbtree, then add it back, and nice-weight it as
> > well)
>
> I suspected it would be as simple as this.
Is that thread guaranteed to run as SCHED_OTHER?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-05-11 15:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-05-05 14:09 [PATCH][KVM] Add support for Pause Filtering to AMD SVM Mark Langsdorf
2009-05-05 16:05 ` Bert Wesarg
2009-05-07 13:55 ` Joerg Roedel
2009-05-07 15:00 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry 1] " Mark Langsdorf
2009-05-07 15:00 ` [PATCH][retry " Mark Langsdorf
2009-05-07 15:31 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry " Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 14:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-11 14:15 ` [PATCH][retry " Ingo Molnar
2009-05-11 14:24 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry " Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 14:24 ` [PATCH][retry " Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 14:33 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry " Ingo Molnar
2009-05-11 14:33 ` [PATCH][retry " Ingo Molnar
2009-05-11 14:51 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry " Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 14:51 ` [PATCH][retry " Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 14:59 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry " Ingo Molnar
2009-05-11 14:59 ` [PATCH][retry " Ingo Molnar
2009-05-11 15:12 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry " Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 15:12 ` [PATCH][retry " Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 15:18 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry " Ingo Molnar
2009-05-11 15:18 ` [PATCH][retry " Ingo Molnar
2009-05-11 15:28 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry " Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 15:28 ` [PATCH][retry " Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 15:36 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry " Langsdorf, Mark
2009-05-11 15:36 ` [PATCH][retry " Langsdorf, Mark
2009-05-11 15:40 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry " Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 15:58 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry 1] Add support for Pause Filtering to AMDSVM Langsdorf, Mark
2009-05-11 15:58 ` [PATCH][retry " Langsdorf, Mark
2009-05-11 15:01 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2009-05-11 15:01 ` [PATCH][retry 1] Add support for Pause Filtering to AMD SVM Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-11 15:06 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry " Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 15:06 ` [PATCH][retry " Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 14:42 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry " Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-11 15:05 ` Avi Kivity
2009-05-11 15:05 ` [PATCH][retry " Avi Kivity
2009-05-08 17:03 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry 2] " Mark Langsdorf
2009-05-08 17:03 ` [PATCH][retry " Mark Langsdorf
2009-05-08 18:44 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry " Avi Kivity
2009-05-08 18:44 ` [PATCH][retry " Avi Kivity
2009-05-08 18:47 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry " Langsdorf, Mark
2009-05-08 18:47 ` [PATCH][retry " Langsdorf, Mark
2009-05-19 18:56 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry 3] " Mark Langsdorf
2009-05-19 18:56 ` [PATCH][retry " Mark Langsdorf
2009-05-20 7:40 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry " Ingo Molnar
2009-05-20 7:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-20 7:59 ` [PATCH][retry " Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-20 8:38 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry " Avi Kivity
2009-05-20 8:38 ` [PATCH][retry " Avi Kivity
2009-05-20 8:42 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry " Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-20 8:42 ` [PATCH][retry " Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-20 8:49 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry " Avi Kivity
2009-05-20 8:49 ` [PATCH][retry " Avi Kivity
2009-05-20 8:54 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry " Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-20 8:54 ` [PATCH][retry " Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-20 9:04 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry " Avi Kivity
2009-05-20 9:04 ` [PATCH][retry " Avi Kivity
2009-05-20 9:10 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry " Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-20 9:10 ` [PATCH][retry " Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-20 9:17 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry " Avi Kivity
2009-05-20 9:17 ` [PATCH][retry " Avi Kivity
2009-05-20 13:52 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry " Langsdorf, Mark
2009-05-20 13:52 ` [PATCH][retry " Langsdorf, Mark
2009-05-20 12:00 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry " Avi Kivity
2009-05-20 12:00 ` [PATCH][retry " Avi Kivity
2009-05-20 22:25 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry 4] " Mark Langsdorf
2009-05-20 22:25 ` [PATCH][retry " Mark Langsdorf
2009-05-21 8:47 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry " Avi Kivity
2009-05-21 8:47 ` [PATCH][retry " Avi Kivity
2009-07-08 5:19 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry " Sheng Yang
2009-07-08 5:19 ` [PATCH][retry " Sheng Yang
2009-07-08 14:59 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry " Langsdorf, Mark
2009-07-08 14:59 ` [PATCH][retry " Langsdorf, Mark
2009-07-09 1:50 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry " Sheng Yang
2009-07-09 1:50 ` [PATCH][retry " Sheng Yang
2009-07-22 22:40 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry " Langsdorf, Mark
2009-07-22 22:40 ` [PATCH][retry " Langsdorf, Mark
2009-08-05 9:08 ` [PATCH][KVM][retry " Zhai, Edwin
2009-08-05 9:08 ` [PATCH][retry " Zhai, Edwin
2009-05-11 14:38 ` [PATCH][KVM] " Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-11 14:51 ` Ingo Molnar
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