From: Oleg Drokin <green@namesys.com>
To: Chris Mason <mason@suse.com>
Cc: Lars Marowsky-Bree <lmb@suse.de>,
Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>,
reiserfs-list@namesys.com
Subject: Re: reiserfs on redhat advanced server?
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:08:55 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030131170855.A13196@namesys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1044021310.15684.154.camel@tiny.suse.com>
Hello!
On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 08:55:11AM -0500, Chris Mason wrote:
> > > Woot? Mainline tends to crash under Oracle or SAP, for example, lacks drivers
> > > etc. Yeah, this is a problem, but don't bitch at the distros about it, but at
> > > the driver developers etc.
> > Distro kernels tend to crash in unusual places, too.
> > E.g. SuSE 8.1 default kernel breaking under memory pressure.
> > RedHat 8.0 default kernel with slow block devices and ext3 bugs.
> > And so on.
> The simple truth is that all kernels have bugs. In general, I believe
That's true.
> the distro kernels are more suitable for production use than a vanilla
> kernel. These companies are betting their support time and future
This is questionable. Distro's QA cannot just test all possible patterns.
So there are some kinds of usage (even in production) where vanilla
kernel is the best thing to use (at least until vendor releases an errata
kernel).
> revenue on their kernels working properly, and the distros take that
> very seriously.
That's true.
> The fact that nobody actually ships a vanilla kernel should make it
> pretty clear the stock releases are not ready for the tasks our
Well, I provided an example of people who ship vanilla kernels.
> customers need them for. The fact that our customers pay us to add
> patches instead of using the stock kernel for free is also important.
That's true.
> This doesn't make it a good idea to run rhas 2.4.9 based kernel in
> production with reiserfs, they were not horribly focused on reiserfs,
> especially when rhas came out.
Actually, I remember I once reviewed a patchset for Red Hat's
kernel-2.4.x-yy.src.rpm, and it contained patch-2.4.18-acZZ.bz2,
that somehow suggests they had it up to 2.4.18 at least ;)
But of course no warrany on that can be gived for some random kernel
until all of patches applied to its vanilla counterpart were reviewed.
(and, of course, RedHat is actually cares much more about ext3.)
Bye,
Oleg
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-01-31 14:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-01-30 16:35 reiserfs on redhat advanced server? Jure Pecar
2003-01-30 17:30 ` Vitaly Fertman
2003-01-30 19:16 ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-30 22:41 ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2003-01-31 11:39 ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 11:53 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-01-31 12:08 ` Alexander Lyamin
2003-01-31 12:20 ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 12:29 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-02-01 10:09 ` Alexander Lyamin
2003-01-31 12:29 ` Yury Umanets
2003-01-31 15:22 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-01-31 12:10 ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 12:21 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-01-31 12:35 ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 12:39 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-01-31 13:06 ` Oleg Drokin
2003-01-31 13:55 ` Chris Mason
2003-01-31 13:58 ` Russell Coker
2003-01-31 14:14 ` Chris Mason
2003-01-31 14:23 ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 14:20 ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 14:45 ` Russell Coker
2003-01-31 14:08 ` Oleg Drokin [this message]
2003-01-31 14:23 ` Chris Mason
2003-01-31 16:16 ` Brian Tinsley
2003-01-31 14:15 ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 14:23 ` Ookhoi
2003-01-31 14:37 ` Chris Mason
2003-01-31 15:00 ` Russell Coker
2003-01-31 15:22 ` Chris Mason
2003-01-31 16:21 ` Russell Coker
2003-01-31 18:03 ` Dieter Nützel
2003-01-31 18:32 ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 12:40 ` Oleg Drokin
2003-02-01 10:58 ` Alexander Lyamin
2003-02-03 12:38 ` Juan Quintela
2003-02-03 14:20 ` when distros do not support official Marcelo kernels they are not being team players (was Re: reiserfs on redhat advanced server?) Hans Reiser
2003-02-03 14:53 ` Chris Mason
2003-02-03 18:51 ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-03 19:18 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-02-03 19:38 ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-03 19:32 ` Chris Mason
2003-02-03 19:50 ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-03 20:34 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-02-04 1:55 ` when distros do not support official Marcelo kernels they are not being team players Matthias Andree
2003-02-04 2:24 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-02-04 2:35 ` Brian Tinsley
2003-02-04 2:41 ` Chris Mason
2003-02-04 2:56 ` Matthew Johnson
2003-02-04 3:54 ` Matthias Andree
2003-02-04 16:27 ` Hubert Mantel
2003-02-04 4:03 ` Matthias Andree
2003-02-04 10:09 ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-04 11:17 ` Matthias Andree
2003-02-04 3:32 ` Matthias Andree
2003-02-03 20:40 ` when distros do not support official Marcelo kernels they are not being team players (was Re: reiserfs on redhat advanced server?) Chris Mason
2003-02-04 0:46 ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-04 2:02 ` Chris Mason
2003-02-04 9:53 ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-04 13:46 ` when distros do not support official Marcelo kernels they are not being team players Juan Quintela
2003-02-04 16:36 ` when distros do not support official Marcelo kernels they are not being team players (was Re: reiserfs on redhat advanced server?) Hubert Mantel
2003-02-04 20:55 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-02-04 21:47 ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-04 21:45 ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-04 22:22 ` Chris Mason
2003-02-04 22:57 ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-06 18:06 ` Bernd Schubert
2003-02-05 8:34 ` Hubert Mantel
2003-02-05 12:04 ` when distros do not support official Marcelo kernels they are not being team players Juan Quintela
2003-01-31 12:35 ` reiserfs on redhat advanced server? Oleg Drokin
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