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From: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>
To: "Ragnar Kjørstad" <reiserfs@ragnark.vestdata.no>
Cc: Jure Pecar <pegasus@nerv.eu.org>, reiserfs-list@namesys.com
Subject: Re: reiserfs on redhat advanced server?
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:39:29 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3E3A6071.6060102@namesys.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030130234142.E8448@vestdata.no>

Ragnar Kjørstad wrote:

>On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 10:16:41PM +0300, Hans Reiser wrote:
>  
>
>>>does anyone have some expirience with the reiserfs provided in redhat's
>>>2.4.9-e.3 kernel from its Advanced Server?
>>>      
>>>
>>Linux 2.4.x did not become stable until 2.4.18.  I strongly advise not 
>>to use anything before 2.4.18 for a machine you care about.
>>
>>Well tested is not a substitute for stable.;-)
>>    
>>
>
>I don't know this kernel in particular, but in general RH's kernels are
>heavily patched, and 2.4.9-e.3 may actually be closer to 2.4.18 than
>2.4.9 from Linus.
>
>
>
>  
>
Heavily patched plus RedHat famous QA process without millions of end 
users testing it like Linus/Marcelo has (err, without them testing it 
before it ships on the CD I should say....), and you think it will be 
more stable than 2.4.9?

If you want a stable kernel for a mission critical server, the only 
thing that works is to ask around and find out what Marcelo kernel has 
been known stable for at least 6 weeks.

QA can do a lot to avoid wasting the time of testers with  bugs they 
needn't have gone through the pain of hitting, but it can only do so much.

Marcelo is very responsible and effective in his management of the 
stable kernel series.  He is unusually talented.  RedHat doesn't have 
anyone in his league doing QA --- you could throw a dart in a room of 
professional release managers, and chances are low that you would not do 
better than RedHat did.  

I would never choose to use a RedHat kernel over a Marcelo kernel.

What I find really interesting is that RedHat marketing manages to make 
a lot of people think that a RedHat kernel is less adventurous than a 
Marcelo kernel, when it is very much the other way around.

-- 
Hans



  reply	other threads:[~2003-01-31 11:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-01-30 16:35 reiserfs on redhat advanced server? Jure Pecar
2003-01-30 17:30 ` Vitaly Fertman
2003-01-30 19:16 ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-30 22:41   ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2003-01-31 11:39     ` Hans Reiser [this message]
2003-01-31 11:53       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-01-31 12:08         ` Alexander Lyamin
2003-01-31 12:20           ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 12:29             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-02-01 10:09             ` Alexander Lyamin
2003-01-31 12:29           ` Yury Umanets
2003-01-31 15:22           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-01-31 12:10         ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 12:21           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-01-31 12:35             ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 12:39               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-01-31 13:06                 ` Oleg Drokin
2003-01-31 13:55                   ` Chris Mason
2003-01-31 13:58                     ` Russell Coker
2003-01-31 14:14                       ` Chris Mason
2003-01-31 14:23                         ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 14:20                       ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 14:45                         ` Russell Coker
2003-01-31 14:08                     ` Oleg Drokin
2003-01-31 14:23                       ` Chris Mason
2003-01-31 16:16                         ` Brian Tinsley
2003-01-31 14:15                     ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 14:23                       ` Ookhoi
2003-01-31 14:37                       ` Chris Mason
2003-01-31 15:00                       ` Russell Coker
2003-01-31 15:22                         ` Chris Mason
2003-01-31 16:21                           ` Russell Coker
2003-01-31 18:03                       ` Dieter Nützel
2003-01-31 18:32                         ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 12:40               ` Oleg Drokin
2003-02-01 10:58                 ` Alexander Lyamin
2003-02-03 12:38               ` Juan Quintela
2003-02-03 14:20                 ` when distros do not support official Marcelo kernels they are not being team players (was Re: reiserfs on redhat advanced server?) Hans Reiser
2003-02-03 14:53                   ` Chris Mason
2003-02-03 18:51                     ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-03 19:18                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-02-03 19:38                         ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-03 19:32                       ` Chris Mason
2003-02-03 19:50                         ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-03 20:34                           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-02-04  1:55                             ` when distros do not support official Marcelo kernels they are not being team players Matthias Andree
2003-02-04  2:24                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-02-04  2:35                                 ` Brian Tinsley
2003-02-04  2:41                                   ` Chris Mason
2003-02-04  2:56                                     ` Matthew Johnson
2003-02-04  3:54                                       ` Matthias Andree
2003-02-04 16:27                                     ` Hubert Mantel
2003-02-04  4:03                                   ` Matthias Andree
2003-02-04 10:09                                     ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-04 11:17                                       ` Matthias Andree
2003-02-04  3:32                                 ` Matthias Andree
2003-02-03 20:40                           ` when distros do not support official Marcelo kernels they are not being team players (was Re: reiserfs on redhat advanced server?) Chris Mason
2003-02-04  0:46                             ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-04  2:02                               ` Chris Mason
2003-02-04  9:53                                 ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-04 13:46                                   ` when distros do not support official Marcelo kernels they are not being team players Juan Quintela
2003-02-04 16:36                               ` when distros do not support official Marcelo kernels they are not being team players (was Re: reiserfs on redhat advanced server?) Hubert Mantel
2003-02-04 20:55                                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-02-04 21:47                                   ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-04 21:45                                 ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-04 22:22                                   ` Chris Mason
2003-02-04 22:57                                     ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-06 18:06                                     ` Bernd Schubert
2003-02-05  8:34                                   ` Hubert Mantel
2003-02-05 12:04                                     ` when distros do not support official Marcelo kernels they are not being team players Juan Quintela
2003-01-31 12:35             ` reiserfs on redhat advanced server? Oleg Drokin

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