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From: Brian Tinsley <btinsley@emageon.com>
To: reiserfs-list@namesys.com
Cc: Chris Mason <mason@suse.com>, Oleg Drokin <green@namesys.com>,
	Lars Marowsky-Bree <lmb@suse.de>,
	Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>
Subject: Re: reiserfs on redhat advanced server?
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:16:52 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3E3AA174.7040001@emageon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1044023000.15680.180.camel@tiny.suse.com

Chris Mason wrote:

>But not a recent example of someone using them in a high end
>configuration.  It's even possible that someone has, but doing it over
>time for release after release?  Those are the customers that end up
>going to redhat and suse.
>
>-chris
>
Here's a good case study on this topic:

We started out a couple of years ago with a RedHat distro that we found 
a problem with and could not get a fix for *in any timely manner*, so I 
started using vanilla 2.4.17 kernel with the patch I required. Over 
time, we started seeing numerous other subtle problems that drove our 
service guys and customers crazy because they were difficult to pinpoint 
and caused a lot of down time. So I would eventually track down the 
problem, find a patch, and redeploy a new kernel. I am neither a sys 
admin (in this job) nor a kernel maintainer, so I got sick of this cycle 
quickly. By this time, a new Red Hat distro rolled out that I tested and 
verified that it addressed all of our previous problems. Frankly, I was 
elated, and we brought most of our existing systems up to this new level 
quickly and started loading it on new systems. Well, it didn't take very 
long before I found myself right back in the same boat (those that use 
the linux-ha heartbeat software know what I'm talking about here!). 
AFAIK, this problem is *still* not fixed and a precise bug report was 
posted many months ago. So, here we go to vanilla kernels 2.4.19, and 
soon thereafter, 2.4.20. Guess what happens now? Linux VM problems, 
really *stupid* ones in my opinion, start hitting a select few of our 
systems; of course they are the most critical ones! Thankfully, I 
happened to notice a couple of postings on LKML of others having 
seemingly the same problem, so I start talking to them. It didn't take 
long before one of the VM developers got involved and worked one-on-one 
with me to analyze my problem and within 2 days, I had it fixed (for 
anyone interested, the 2.4.20-aa1 kernel was the silver bullet). So, now 
I spend endless hours in the lab testing this kernel and eventually many 
more hours overseeing the upgrade of numerous sites. Guess what happens 
next? It's good news this time! Not a *single* (kernel based) problem 
from any of the sites running this new kernel! The downside is that I am 
once again exhausted by having to maintain the kernel. So now I've 
extended the opportunity to SuSE to try and make my life easier (but 
haven't heard back from them yet, Lars ;) ). What will happen next, I 
dare not even guess, but having worked on some level with a few people 
at SuSE and being educated about their products offerings recently, I 
have to say that I am confident things will work out.


-- 

Brian Tinsley
Chief Systems Engineer
Emageon




  reply	other threads:[~2003-01-31 16:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-01-30 16:35 reiserfs on redhat advanced server? Jure Pecar
2003-01-30 17:30 ` Vitaly Fertman
2003-01-30 19:16 ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-30 22:41   ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2003-01-31 11:39     ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 11:53       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-01-31 12:08         ` Alexander Lyamin
2003-01-31 12:20           ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 12:29             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-02-01 10:09             ` Alexander Lyamin
2003-01-31 12:29           ` Yury Umanets
2003-01-31 15:22           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-01-31 12:10         ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 12:21           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-01-31 12:35             ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 12:39               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-01-31 13:06                 ` Oleg Drokin
2003-01-31 13:55                   ` Chris Mason
2003-01-31 13:58                     ` Russell Coker
2003-01-31 14:14                       ` Chris Mason
2003-01-31 14:23                         ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 14:20                       ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 14:45                         ` Russell Coker
2003-01-31 14:08                     ` Oleg Drokin
2003-01-31 14:23                       ` Chris Mason
2003-01-31 16:16                         ` Brian Tinsley [this message]
2003-01-31 14:15                     ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 14:23                       ` Ookhoi
2003-01-31 14:37                       ` Chris Mason
2003-01-31 15:00                       ` Russell Coker
2003-01-31 15:22                         ` Chris Mason
2003-01-31 16:21                           ` Russell Coker
2003-01-31 18:03                       ` Dieter Nützel
2003-01-31 18:32                         ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 12:40               ` Oleg Drokin
2003-02-01 10:58                 ` Alexander Lyamin
2003-02-03 12:38               ` Juan Quintela
2003-02-03 14:20                 ` when distros do not support official Marcelo kernels they are not being team players (was Re: reiserfs on redhat advanced server?) Hans Reiser
2003-02-03 14:53                   ` Chris Mason
2003-02-03 18:51                     ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-03 19:18                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-02-03 19:38                         ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-03 19:32                       ` Chris Mason
2003-02-03 19:50                         ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-03 20:34                           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-02-04  1:55                             ` when distros do not support official Marcelo kernels they are not being team players Matthias Andree
2003-02-04  2:24                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-02-04  2:35                                 ` Brian Tinsley
2003-02-04  2:41                                   ` Chris Mason
2003-02-04  2:56                                     ` Matthew Johnson
2003-02-04  3:54                                       ` Matthias Andree
2003-02-04 16:27                                     ` Hubert Mantel
2003-02-04  4:03                                   ` Matthias Andree
2003-02-04 10:09                                     ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-04 11:17                                       ` Matthias Andree
2003-02-04  3:32                                 ` Matthias Andree
2003-02-03 20:40                           ` when distros do not support official Marcelo kernels they are not being team players (was Re: reiserfs on redhat advanced server?) Chris Mason
2003-02-04  0:46                             ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-04  2:02                               ` Chris Mason
2003-02-04  9:53                                 ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-04 13:46                                   ` when distros do not support official Marcelo kernels they are not being team players Juan Quintela
2003-02-04 16:36                               ` when distros do not support official Marcelo kernels they are not being team players (was Re: reiserfs on redhat advanced server?) Hubert Mantel
2003-02-04 20:55                                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-02-04 21:47                                   ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-04 21:45                                 ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-04 22:22                                   ` Chris Mason
2003-02-04 22:57                                     ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-06 18:06                                     ` Bernd Schubert
2003-02-05  8:34                                   ` Hubert Mantel
2003-02-05 12:04                                     ` when distros do not support official Marcelo kernels they are not being team players Juan Quintela
2003-01-31 12:35             ` reiserfs on redhat advanced server? Oleg Drokin

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