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From: Lars Marowsky-Bree <lmb@suse.de>
To: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>
Cc: "Ragnar Kjørstad" <reiserfs@ragnark.vestdata.no>,
	"Jure Pecar" <pegasus@nerv.eu.org>,
	reiserfs-list@namesys.com
Subject: Re: reiserfs on redhat advanced server?
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:21:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030131122147.GE15359@marowsky-bree.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3E3A67AE.4050601@namesys.com>

On 2003-01-31T15:10:22,
   Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com> said:

> The distros are really doing their best to undermine the open source 
> community testing process that works so well.... 
> 
> for them to not certify/support a stable Marcelo kernel is.... well it 
> makes me angry quite honestly....

Tell that to the ISVs. And the plain kernel, when it comes out, is usually
simply not really useable as a distro kernel until, oh, dot twenty something
or so, for a variety of reasons.

From "buzzwords" like 'enterprise features missing' or missing support for
hardware to different schedulers, accomodations for IHVs/ISVs which mainline
doesn't want (yet) etc. The way it works seems to be that distros test drive a
lot of code before it gets merged into mainline, at the expense of mainline
being slightly behind quite often.

And at the time when distributions hit their respective deadlines, even a
bunch of just plain fixes will have already piled up for the last stable
vanilla kernel, so they get thrown in too, mostly from "pre" kernels.

I'm not saying this is good or bad, but it is just they way it is. I can't
really see a distribution shipping a plain, unpatched kernel. Trust me. Every
distributor would love too, because it would lower cost for them. You know how
much highly qualified _work_ is needed to maintain a distribution kernel?
Nobody does that out of their own free will.


Sincerely,
    Lars Marowsky-Brée <lmb@suse.de>

-- 
Principal Squirrel 
SuSE Labs - Research & Development, SuSE Linux AG
  
"If anything can go wrong, it will." "Chance favors the prepared (mind)."
  -- Capt. Edward A. Murphy            -- Louis Pasteur

  reply	other threads:[~2003-01-31 12:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-01-30 16:35 reiserfs on redhat advanced server? Jure Pecar
2003-01-30 17:30 ` Vitaly Fertman
2003-01-30 19:16 ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-30 22:41   ` Ragnar Kjørstad
2003-01-31 11:39     ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 11:53       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-01-31 12:08         ` Alexander Lyamin
2003-01-31 12:20           ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 12:29             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-02-01 10:09             ` Alexander Lyamin
2003-01-31 12:29           ` Yury Umanets
2003-01-31 15:22           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-01-31 12:10         ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 12:21           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree [this message]
2003-01-31 12:35             ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 12:39               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-01-31 13:06                 ` Oleg Drokin
2003-01-31 13:55                   ` Chris Mason
2003-01-31 13:58                     ` Russell Coker
2003-01-31 14:14                       ` Chris Mason
2003-01-31 14:23                         ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 14:20                       ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 14:45                         ` Russell Coker
2003-01-31 14:08                     ` Oleg Drokin
2003-01-31 14:23                       ` Chris Mason
2003-01-31 16:16                         ` Brian Tinsley
2003-01-31 14:15                     ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 14:23                       ` Ookhoi
2003-01-31 14:37                       ` Chris Mason
2003-01-31 15:00                       ` Russell Coker
2003-01-31 15:22                         ` Chris Mason
2003-01-31 16:21                           ` Russell Coker
2003-01-31 18:03                       ` Dieter Nützel
2003-01-31 18:32                         ` Hans Reiser
2003-01-31 12:40               ` Oleg Drokin
2003-02-01 10:58                 ` Alexander Lyamin
2003-02-03 12:38               ` Juan Quintela
2003-02-03 14:20                 ` when distros do not support official Marcelo kernels they are not being team players (was Re: reiserfs on redhat advanced server?) Hans Reiser
2003-02-03 14:53                   ` Chris Mason
2003-02-03 18:51                     ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-03 19:18                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-02-03 19:38                         ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-03 19:32                       ` Chris Mason
2003-02-03 19:50                         ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-03 20:34                           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2003-02-04  1:55                             ` when distros do not support official Marcelo kernels they are not being team players Matthias Andree
2003-02-04  2:24                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-02-04  2:35                                 ` Brian Tinsley
2003-02-04  2:41                                   ` Chris Mason
2003-02-04  2:56                                     ` Matthew Johnson
2003-02-04  3:54                                       ` Matthias Andree
2003-02-04 16:27                                     ` Hubert Mantel
2003-02-04  4:03                                   ` Matthias Andree
2003-02-04 10:09                                     ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-04 11:17                                       ` Matthias Andree
2003-02-04  3:32                                 ` Matthias Andree
2003-02-03 20:40                           ` when distros do not support official Marcelo kernels they are not being team players (was Re: reiserfs on redhat advanced server?) Chris Mason
2003-02-04  0:46                             ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-04  2:02                               ` Chris Mason
2003-02-04  9:53                                 ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-04 13:46                                   ` when distros do not support official Marcelo kernels they are not being team players Juan Quintela
2003-02-04 16:36                               ` when distros do not support official Marcelo kernels they are not being team players (was Re: reiserfs on redhat advanced server?) Hubert Mantel
2003-02-04 20:55                                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-02-04 21:47                                   ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-04 21:45                                 ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-04 22:22                                   ` Chris Mason
2003-02-04 22:57                                     ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-06 18:06                                     ` Bernd Schubert
2003-02-05  8:34                                   ` Hubert Mantel
2003-02-05 12:04                                     ` when distros do not support official Marcelo kernels they are not being team players Juan Quintela
2003-01-31 12:35             ` reiserfs on redhat advanced server? Oleg Drokin

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