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From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: akpm@osdl.org, "David Weinehall" <tao@acc.umu.se>,
	"Dongjun Shin" <djshin90@gmail.com>,
	"Kyle Moffett" <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>,
	linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org, "Pavel Machek" <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	"Sam Ravnborg" <sam@ravnborg.org>,
	"Ulisses Furquim" <ulissesf@gmail.com>, CaT <cat@zip.com.au>,
	"Evgeniy Polyakov" <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>,
	"Roland Dreier" <rdreier@cisco.com>,
	"Segher Boessenkool" <segher@kernel.crashing.org>,
	"Jörn Engel" <joern@lazybastard.org>,
	"Jamie Lokier" <jamie@shareable.org>,
	"Pekka Enberg" <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	"Jan Engelhardt" <jengelh@linux01.gwdg.de>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Bill Davidsen" <davidsen@tmr.com>,
	"Albert Cahalan" <acahalan@gmail.com>,
	"John Stoffel" <john@stoffel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Ondrej Zajicek" <santiago@crfreenet.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, "Willy Tarreau" <w@1wt.eu>
Subject: Re: [Patch 04/18] include/linux/logfs.h
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 14:42:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200706061442.31147.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1181119820.25232.434.camel@pmac.infradead.org>

On Wednesday 06 June 2007, David Woodhouse wrote:
> And if I had something like this (which is admittedly contrived, but
> hardware people _do_ do stupid things to us):
>    { uint32_t, uint8_t, uint16_t, uint8_t, uint32_t, uint32_t }
> 
> With the 'packed' attribute the compiler would assume arbitrary
> alignment of all the 32-bit integers. But in reality it's only necessary
> for the uint16_t in the middle. A 'nopadding' attribute would deal with
> that correctly.

I would argue that a newly invented 'nopadding' attribute should reject
such a structure as invalid, because it should not let members be
unaligned. Unfortunately, this also gets tricky if you consider

struct {
	uint32_t a;
	uint64_t b;
	uint32_t c;
};

which does have an unaligned member by default in i386, but not on
any modern platform.

	Arnd <><

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: "Segher Boessenkool" <segher@kernel.crashing.org>,
	"Kyle Moffett" <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>,
	"John Stoffel" <john@stoffel.org>, "Willy Tarreau" <w@1wt.eu>,
	"Evgeniy Polyakov" <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>, CaT <cat@zip.com.au>,
	"Ondrej Zajicek" <santiago@crfreenet.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Bill Davidsen" <davidsen@tmr.com>,
	"Jan Engelhardt" <jengelh@linux01.gwdg.de>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Dongjun Shin" <djshin90@gmail.com>,
	"Pekka Enberg" <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	"Albert Cahalan" <acahalan@gmail.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org,
	"Artem Bityutskiy" <dedekind@infradead.org>,
	"Sam Ravnborg" <sam@ravnborg.org>,
	"Jamie Lokier" <jamie@shareable.org>,
	"Roland Dreier" <rdreier@cisco.com>,
	"Jörn Engel" <joern@lazybastard.org>,
	"Pavel Machek" <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	"Ulisses Furquim" <ulissesf@gmail.com>,
	akpm@osdl.org, "David Weinehall" <tao@acc.umu.se>
Subject: Re: [Patch 04/18] include/linux/logfs.h
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 14:42:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200706061442.31147.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1181119820.25232.434.camel@pmac.infradead.org>

On Wednesday 06 June 2007, David Woodhouse wrote:
> And if I had something like this (which is admittedly contrived, but
> hardware people _do_ do stupid things to us):
>    { uint32_t, uint8_t, uint16_t, uint8_t, uint32_t, uint32_t }
> 
> With the 'packed' attribute the compiler would assume arbitrary
> alignment of all the 32-bit integers. But in reality it's only necessary
> for the uint16_t in the middle. A 'nopadding' attribute would deal with
> that correctly.

I would argue that a newly invented 'nopadding' attribute should reject
such a structure as invalid, because it should not let members be
unaligned. Unfortunately, this also gets tricky if you consider

struct {
	uint32_t a;
	uint64_t b;
	uint32_t c;
};

which does have an unaligned member by default in i386, but not on
any modern platform.

	Arnd <><

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: "Segher Boessenkool" <segher@kernel.crashing.org>,
	"Kyle Moffett" <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>,
	"John Stoffel" <john@stoffel.org>, "Willy Tarreau" <w@1wt.eu>,
	"Evgeniy Polyakov" <johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru>, CaT <cat@zip.com.au>,
	"Ondrej Zajicek" <santiago@crfreenet.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Bill Davidsen" <davidsen@tmr.com>,
	"Jan Engelhardt" <jengelh@linux01.gwdg.de>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Dongjun Shin" <djshin90@gmail.com>,
	"Pekka Enberg" <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	"Albert Cahalan" <acahalan@gmail.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org,
	"Artem Bityutskiy" <dedekind@infradead.org>,
	"Sam Ravnborg" <sam@ravnborg.org>,
	"Jamie Lokier" <jamie@shareable.org>,
	"Roland Dreier" <rdreier@cisco.com>,
	"Jörn Engel" <joern@lazybastard.org>,
	"Pavel Machek" <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	"Ulisses Furquim" <ulissesf@gmail.com>,
	akpm@osdl.org, "David Weinehall" <tao@acc.umu>
Subject: Re: [Patch 04/18] include/linux/logfs.h
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 14:42:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200706061442.31147.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1181119820.25232.434.camel@pmac.infradead.org>

On Wednesday 06 June 2007, David Woodhouse wrote:
> And if I had something like this (which is admittedly contrived, but
> hardware people _do_ do stupid things to us):
>    { uint32_t, uint8_t, uint16_t, uint8_t, uint32_t, uint32_t }
> 
> With the 'packed' attribute the compiler would assume arbitrary
> alignment of all the 32-bit integers. But in reality it's only necessary
> for the uint16_t in the middle. A 'nopadding' attribute would deal with
> that correctly.

I would argue that a newly invented 'nopadding' attribute should reject
such a structure as invalid, because it should not let members be
unaligned. Unfortunately, this also gets tricky if you consider

struct {
	uint32_t a;
	uint64_t b;
	uint32_t c;
};

which does have an unaligned member by default in i386, but not on
any modern platform.

	Arnd <><
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-06-06 12:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 161+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-03 18:38 LogFS take four Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:38 ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:38 ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:40 ` [Patch 01/18] fs/Kconfig Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:49   ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:40 ` [Patch 02/18] fs/Makefile Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:49   ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:41 ` [Patch 03/18] fs/logfs/Makefile Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 20:21   ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:42 ` [Patch 04/18] include/linux/logfs.h Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 21:58   ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 21:42   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-03 21:42     ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-03 21:42     ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-04  9:12     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-04  9:12       ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-04  9:12       ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-04 13:38       ` David Woodhouse
2007-06-04 13:38         ` David Woodhouse
2007-06-04 13:38         ` David Woodhouse
2007-06-04 14:02         ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-04 14:02           ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-04 14:02           ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-05 15:49         ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-06-05 15:49           ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-06-05 15:53           ` David Woodhouse
2007-06-05 15:53             ` David Woodhouse
2007-06-05 18:49             ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-06-05 18:49               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-06-06  8:50               ` David Woodhouse
2007-06-06  8:50                 ` David Woodhouse
2007-06-06  8:59                 ` Andreas Schwab
2007-06-06  8:59                   ` Andreas Schwab
2007-06-06  8:59                   ` Andreas Schwab
2007-06-06 12:42                 ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2007-06-06 12:42                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-06 12:42                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-05 20:39           ` Bill Davidsen
2007-06-05 20:39             ` Bill Davidsen
2007-06-03 18:43 ` [Patch 05/18] fs/logfs/logfs.h Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 20:01   ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 21:50   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-03 21:50     ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-04  8:17     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-06-04  8:17       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-06-04  8:17       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-06-04  9:11     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-04  9:11       ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-04  9:11       ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-06 11:29   ` Paulo Marques
2007-06-06 11:29     ` Paulo Marques
2007-06-06 11:29     ` Paulo Marques
2007-06-06 11:29     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-06 11:29       ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-06 11:29       ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:43 ` [Patch 06/18] fs/logfs/compr.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 20:14   ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 21:58   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-03 21:58     ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-03 21:58     ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-04  8:54     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-04  8:54       ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-04  8:54       ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-04 13:53       ` David Woodhouse
2007-06-04 13:53         ` David Woodhouse
2007-06-04 13:53         ` David Woodhouse
2007-06-03 18:44 ` [Patch 07/18] fs/logfs/dir.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 19:43   ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-15  8:59   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-06-15  8:59     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-06-15  8:59     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-06-15 11:57     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-15 11:57       ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-15 11:57       ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:45 ` [Patch 08/18] fs/logfs/file.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 20:30   ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:46 ` [Patch 09/18] fs/logfs/gc.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 20:46   ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 22:07   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-03 22:07     ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-04  9:01     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-04  9:01       ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-04  9:01       ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-15  9:03   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-06-15  9:03     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-06-15  9:03     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-06-15 11:14     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-15 11:14       ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-15 11:14       ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-15 13:03       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-06-15 13:03         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-06-15 13:03         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-06-03 18:46 ` [Patch 10/18] fs/logfs/inode.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 21:27   ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-10 17:24   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-10 17:24     ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-10 17:40     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-10 17:40       ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-10 17:40       ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-11 23:28     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-11 23:28       ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-11 23:28       ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-11 23:51       ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-11 23:51         ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-11 23:51         ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-11 23:57         ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-11 23:57           ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:47 ` [Patch 11/18] fs/logfs/journal.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 20:00   ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:47 ` [Patch 12/18] fs/logfs/memtree.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 20:43   ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:48 ` [Patch 13/18] fs/logfs/readwrite.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 20:57   ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:48 ` [Patch 14/18] fs/logfs/segment.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 20:14   ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 22:21   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-03 22:21     ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-03 22:21     ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-04  9:07     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-04  9:07       ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-04  9:07       ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:49 ` [Patch 15/18] fs/logfs/super.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 20:42   ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-10 16:27   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-10 16:27     ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-10 16:27     ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-10 17:38     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-10 17:38       ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-10 17:38       ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-10 18:33       ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-10 18:33         ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-10 18:33         ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-10 19:10         ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-10 19:10           ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-10 19:20           ` Willy Tarreau
2007-06-10 19:20             ` Willy Tarreau
2007-06-10 19:20             ` Willy Tarreau
2007-06-03 18:50 ` [Patch 16/18] fs/logfs/progs/fsck.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 19:00   ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:50 ` [Patch 17/18] fs/logfs/progs/mkfs.c Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 19:01   ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 18:51 ` [Patch 18/18] fs/logfs/Locking Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 21:21   ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 19:17 ` LogFS take four Jan-Benedict Glaw
2007-06-03 19:20   ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2007-06-03 19:19   ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 19:19     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-03 22:18 ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-03 22:18   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-03 22:18   ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-06-04  9:05   ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-04  9:05     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-04  9:05     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-06 13:50 ` Alexander Belyakov
2007-06-06 13:58   ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-15  8:37 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-06-15  8:37   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-06-15  8:37   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-06-15 11:10   ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-15 11:10     ` Jörn Engel
2007-06-15 11:10     ` Jörn Engel

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