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From: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
To: Amit Shah <amit.shah@redhat.com>
Cc: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
	Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>,
	"Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: virtio-serial: An interface for host-guest communication
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:48:27 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090729074827.GJ30449@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090729074418.GA24925@amit-x200.redhat.com>

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 01:14:18PM +0530, Amit Shah wrote:
> On (Tue) Jul 28 2009 [08:42:32], Anthony Liguori wrote:
> > Amit Shah wrote:
> >> Right; use virtio just as the transport and all the interesting
> >> activity happens in userspaces. That was the basis with which I started.
> >> I can imagine dbus doing the copy/paste, lock screen, etc. actions.
> >>
> >> However for libguestfs, dbus isn't an option and they already have some
> >> predefined agents for each port. So libguestfs is an example for a
> >> multi-port usecase for virtio-serial.
> >>   
> >
> > Or don't use dbus and use something that libguestfs is able to embed.   
> > The fact that libguestfs doesn't want dbus in the guest is not an  
> > argument for using a higher level kernel interface especially one that  
> > doesn't meet the requirements of the interface.
> 
> But why do we want to limit the device to only one port? It's not too
> complex supporting additional ones.
> 
> As I see it qemu and the kernel should provide the basic abstraction for
> the userspace to go do its job. Why create unnecessary barriers?
> 
I agree. If userspace wants it may use only one channel and demultiplex
messages by itself, but we shouldn't force it to. Also one of the
requirements for virtio-serial is to have connect disconnect
notifications. It is not possible with demultiplexing in the userspace.

--
			Gleb.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
To: Amit Shah <amit.shah@redhat.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: virtio-serial: An interface for host-guest communication
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:48:27 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090729074827.GJ30449@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090729074418.GA24925@amit-x200.redhat.com>

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 01:14:18PM +0530, Amit Shah wrote:
> On (Tue) Jul 28 2009 [08:42:32], Anthony Liguori wrote:
> > Amit Shah wrote:
> >> Right; use virtio just as the transport and all the interesting
> >> activity happens in userspaces. That was the basis with which I started.
> >> I can imagine dbus doing the copy/paste, lock screen, etc. actions.
> >>
> >> However for libguestfs, dbus isn't an option and they already have some
> >> predefined agents for each port. So libguestfs is an example for a
> >> multi-port usecase for virtio-serial.
> >>   
> >
> > Or don't use dbus and use something that libguestfs is able to embed.   
> > The fact that libguestfs doesn't want dbus in the guest is not an  
> > argument for using a higher level kernel interface especially one that  
> > doesn't meet the requirements of the interface.
> 
> But why do we want to limit the device to only one port? It's not too
> complex supporting additional ones.
> 
> As I see it qemu and the kernel should provide the basic abstraction for
> the userspace to go do its job. Why create unnecessary barriers?
> 
I agree. If userspace wants it may use only one channel and demultiplex
messages by itself, but we shouldn't force it to. Also one of the
requirements for virtio-serial is to have connect disconnect
notifications. It is not possible with demultiplexing in the userspace.

--
			Gleb.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-07-29  7:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 175+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-27 18:04 virtio-serial: An interface for host-guest communication Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04 ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04 ` [PATCH 1/1] virtio_serial: A char device for simple guest <-> host communication Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04 ` Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04   ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04   ` [PATCH 1/3] virtio-serial: virtio device for simple host <-> guest communication Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04     ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04     ` [PATCH 2/3] vnc: add a is_vnc_active() helper Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04       ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04       ` [PATCH 3/3] virtio-serial: vnc: support for sending / receiving guest clipboard Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04       ` Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04         ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04     ` [PATCH 2/3] vnc: add a is_vnc_active() helper Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04   ` [PATCH 1/3] virtio-serial: virtio device for simple host <-> guest communication Amit Shah
2009-08-05  0:03   ` [PATCH 1/1] virtio_serial: A char device for simple guest <-> host communication Rusty Russell
2009-08-05  0:03     ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2009-08-05  5:12     ` Amit Shah
2009-08-05  5:12       ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-05  9:58     ` Amit Shah
2009-08-05  9:58     ` Amit Shah
2009-08-05  9:58       ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-05  0:03   ` Rusty Russell
2009-07-27 20:22 ` virtio-serial: An interface for host-guest communication Anthony Liguori
2009-07-27 20:22   ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-07-27 20:32   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-07-27 20:32   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-07-27 20:37     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-27 20:37     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-27 20:46     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-27 20:46       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-27 23:44       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-27 23:44       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-27 23:44         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-28 10:36         ` Amit Shah
2009-07-28 10:36         ` Amit Shah
2009-07-28 10:36           ` Amit Shah
2009-07-28 13:42           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-29  7:44             ` Amit Shah
2009-07-29  7:44             ` Amit Shah
2009-07-29  7:44               ` Amit Shah
2009-07-29  7:48               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-07-29  7:48               ` Gleb Natapov [this message]
2009-07-29  7:48                 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-08-05 18:00                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-05 18:00                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-05 18:00                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-28 13:42           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-28 14:00         ` Richard W.M. Jones
2009-07-28 14:48           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-28 14:48           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-28 14:55             ` Richard W.M. Jones
2009-07-28 14:55             ` Richard W.M. Jones
2009-07-28 15:00               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-28 15:00               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-03 19:57           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-05 17:57             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-05 17:57               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-05 18:00               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-05 18:00                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-06 10:38                 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 10:38                 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 10:38                   ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 13:29                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-06 13:29                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-06 13:41                     ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 13:41                       ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 13:58                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-06 13:58                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-06 13:58                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-06 14:04                         ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 14:04                         ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 14:04                           ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 17:37                           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-06 17:37                             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-07  6:38                             ` Amit Shah
2009-08-07  6:38                             ` Amit Shah
2009-08-07  6:38                               ` Amit Shah
2009-08-07 14:14                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-07 14:14                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10  6:55                                 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-10  6:55                                   ` Amit Shah
2009-08-10  9:47                                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10  9:47                                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10 13:02                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 13:02                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 13:02                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 14:02                                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10 14:02                                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10 14:02                                         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10 14:20                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 14:20                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 15:34                                           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10 15:34                                             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10 16:59                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 16:59                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 17:27                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 17:27                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 17:27                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-12 18:27                                               ` Paul Brook
2009-08-12 18:27                                               ` Paul Brook
2009-08-12 18:27                                                 ` Paul Brook
2009-08-14  8:15                                               ` Amit Shah
2009-08-14  8:15                                                 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-14 13:29                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-14 13:29                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-14 13:41                                                   ` Amit Shah
2009-08-14 13:41                                                   ` Amit Shah
2009-08-14 13:41                                                     ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20 13:42                                                   ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20 13:42                                                     ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20 14:25                                                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-08-20 14:25                                                       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-08-20 14:38                                                       ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20 14:38                                                         ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20 14:42                                                         ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20 14:42                                                         ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20 14:42                                                           ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20 13:42                                                   ` Amit Shah
2009-08-14 13:29                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-14 13:49                                                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-14 13:49                                                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-14 16:25                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-14 16:25                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-20  7:31                                                     ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-20  7:31                                                       ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-20  7:44                                                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-20  7:44                                                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-20  7:44                                                         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-20  7:55                                                         ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20  7:55                                                         ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20  7:55                                                           ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20 17:10                                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-20 17:10                                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-20 17:10                                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-25 12:43                                                         ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-25 12:43                                                           ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-25 13:00                                                           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-25 13:00                                                           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-25 13:00                                                             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-25 12:43                                                         ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-20  7:31                                                     ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-14 16:25                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-14  8:15                                               ` Amit Shah
2009-08-10 16:59                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 15:34                                           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10 14:20                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 14:20                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 14:20                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 14:20                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 23:09                                     ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-10 23:09                                       ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-11  0:16                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-11  0:16                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-11  0:16                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 23:09                                     ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-10  9:47                                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10 14:27                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 14:27                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 15:57                                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10 15:57                                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10 15:57                                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-06 17:37                           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-06 13:41                     ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 13:29                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-05 18:00               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-06 10:35               ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 10:35               ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 10:35                 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-05 17:57             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-05 18:32             ` Richard W.M. Jones
2009-08-05 18:32             ` Richard W.M. Jones
2009-08-03 19:57           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-28 14:00         ` Richard W.M. Jones
2009-07-27 20:46     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-27 20:22 ` Anthony Liguori

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