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From: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Amit Shah <amit.shah@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	"Richard W.M. Jones" <rjones@redhat.com>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: virtio-serial: An interface for host-guest	communication
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:57:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A804365.6010106@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A802E35.1040308@codemonkey.ws>

On 08/10/09 16:27, Anthony Liguori wrote:

> I think my fundamental argument boils down to two points. 1) we should
> not require new guest drivers unless we absolutely have to

Allow guest drivers is fine though I guess?

> 2) we should
> always do things in userspace unless we absolutely have to do things in
> the kernel.

Wrong.  There are often good reasons to do stuff in kernel, even if you 
can do it in userspace too.

> Adding new kernel drivers breaks support for enterprise Linux distros.
> Adding a userspace daemon does not. Windows device drivers require
> signing which is very difficult to do. There's a huge practical
> advantage in not requiring guest drivers.

Ok, so the virtio-serial + usbserial combo should work well then I think.

If you have guest drivers you'll go the virtio-serial route.
If you don't have guest drivers you can go the usbserial route, either 
via /dev/ttyUSB or via libusb.

We can also have a libvmchannel as abstraction layer on top of this.

cheers,
   Gerd


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, "Richard W.M. Jones" <rjones@redhat.com>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Amit Shah <amit.shah@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: virtio-serial: An interface for host-guest	communication
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:57:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A804365.6010106@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A802E35.1040308@codemonkey.ws>

On 08/10/09 16:27, Anthony Liguori wrote:

> I think my fundamental argument boils down to two points. 1) we should
> not require new guest drivers unless we absolutely have to

Allow guest drivers is fine though I guess?

> 2) we should
> always do things in userspace unless we absolutely have to do things in
> the kernel.

Wrong.  There are often good reasons to do stuff in kernel, even if you 
can do it in userspace too.

> Adding new kernel drivers breaks support for enterprise Linux distros.
> Adding a userspace daemon does not. Windows device drivers require
> signing which is very difficult to do. There's a huge practical
> advantage in not requiring guest drivers.

Ok, so the virtio-serial + usbserial combo should work well then I think.

If you have guest drivers you'll go the virtio-serial route.
If you don't have guest drivers you can go the usbserial route, either 
via /dev/ttyUSB or via libusb.

We can also have a libvmchannel as abstraction layer on top of this.

cheers,
   Gerd

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-08-10 15:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 175+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-27 18:04 virtio-serial: An interface for host-guest communication Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04 ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04 ` [PATCH 1/1] virtio_serial: A char device for simple guest <-> host communication Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04   ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04   ` [PATCH 1/3] virtio-serial: virtio device for simple host <-> guest communication Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04   ` Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04     ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04     ` [PATCH 2/3] vnc: add a is_vnc_active() helper Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04       ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04       ` [PATCH 3/3] virtio-serial: vnc: support for sending / receiving guest clipboard Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04         ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04       ` Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04     ` [PATCH 2/3] vnc: add a is_vnc_active() helper Amit Shah
2009-08-05  0:03   ` [PATCH 1/1] virtio_serial: A char device for simple guest <-> host communication Rusty Russell
2009-08-05  0:03   ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-05  0:03     ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2009-08-05  5:12     ` Amit Shah
2009-08-05  5:12       ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-05  9:58     ` Amit Shah
2009-08-05  9:58     ` Amit Shah
2009-08-05  9:58       ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04 ` Amit Shah
2009-07-27 20:22 ` virtio-serial: An interface for host-guest communication Anthony Liguori
2009-07-27 20:22   ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-07-27 20:32   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-07-27 20:32   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-07-27 20:37     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-27 20:37     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-27 20:46     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-27 20:46     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-27 20:46       ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-27 23:44       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-27 23:44       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-27 23:44         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-28 10:36         ` Amit Shah
2009-07-28 10:36         ` Amit Shah
2009-07-28 10:36           ` Amit Shah
2009-07-28 13:42           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-28 13:42           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-29  7:44             ` Amit Shah
2009-07-29  7:44             ` Amit Shah
2009-07-29  7:44               ` Amit Shah
2009-07-29  7:48               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-07-29  7:48                 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-08-05 18:00                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-05 18:00                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-05 18:00                   ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-29  7:48               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-07-28 14:00         ` Richard W.M. Jones
2009-07-28 14:48           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-28 14:48           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-28 14:55             ` Richard W.M. Jones
2009-07-28 14:55             ` Richard W.M. Jones
2009-07-28 15:00               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-28 15:00               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-03 19:57           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-05 17:57             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-05 17:57               ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-05 18:00               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-05 18:00                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-06 10:38                 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 10:38                 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 10:38                   ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 13:29                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-06 13:29                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-06 13:29                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-06 13:41                     ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 13:41                     ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 13:41                       ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 13:58                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-06 13:58                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-06 14:04                         ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 14:04                           ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 17:37                           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-06 17:37                             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-07  6:38                             ` Amit Shah
2009-08-07  6:38                               ` Amit Shah
2009-08-07 14:14                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-07 14:14                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10  6:55                                 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-10  6:55                                   ` Amit Shah
2009-08-10  9:47                                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10  9:47                                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10  9:47                                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10 13:02                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 13:02                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 13:02                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 14:02                                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10 14:02                                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10 14:02                                         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10 14:20                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 14:20                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 14:20                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 15:34                                           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10 15:34                                           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10 15:34                                             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10 16:59                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 16:59                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 17:27                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 17:27                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 17:27                                               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-12 18:27                                               ` Paul Brook
2009-08-12 18:27                                                 ` Paul Brook
2009-08-12 18:27                                               ` Paul Brook
2009-08-14  8:15                                               ` Amit Shah
2009-08-14  8:15                                               ` Amit Shah
2009-08-14  8:15                                                 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-14 13:29                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-14 13:29                                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-14 13:29                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-14 13:41                                                   ` Amit Shah
2009-08-14 13:41                                                     ` Amit Shah
2009-08-14 13:41                                                   ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20 13:42                                                   ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20 13:42                                                   ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20 13:42                                                     ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20 14:25                                                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-08-20 14:25                                                       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-08-20 14:38                                                       ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20 14:38                                                         ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20 14:42                                                         ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20 14:42                                                         ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20 14:42                                                           ` Amit Shah
2009-08-14 13:49                                                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-14 13:49                                                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-14 16:25                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-14 16:25                                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-20  7:31                                                     ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-20  7:31                                                       ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-20  7:44                                                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-20  7:44                                                         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-20  7:55                                                         ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20  7:55                                                           ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20 17:10                                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-20 17:10                                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-20 17:10                                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-20  7:55                                                         ` Amit Shah
2009-08-25 12:43                                                         ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-25 12:43                                                         ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-25 12:43                                                           ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-25 13:00                                                           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-25 13:00                                                             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-25 13:00                                                           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-20  7:44                                                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-20  7:31                                                     ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-14 16:25                                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 16:59                                             ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 14:20                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 14:20                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 14:20                                           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 23:09                                     ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-10 23:09                                       ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-11  0:16                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-11  0:16                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-11  0:16                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 23:09                                     ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-10 14:27                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 14:27                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 15:57                                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10 15:57                                     ` Gerd Hoffmann [this message]
2009-08-10 15:57                                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-07  6:38                             ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 17:37                           ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-06 14:04                         ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 13:58                       ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-05 18:00               ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-06 10:35               ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 10:35                 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 10:35               ` Amit Shah
2009-08-05 17:57             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-05 18:32             ` Richard W.M. Jones
2009-08-05 18:32             ` Richard W.M. Jones
2009-08-03 19:57           ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-28 14:00         ` Richard W.M. Jones
2009-07-27 20:22 ` Anthony Liguori

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