From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
Cc: "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>,
Amit Shah <amit.shah@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: virtio-serial: An interface for host-guest communication
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 18:44:28 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A6E3BDC.8050101@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090727204627.GA32432@shareable.org>
Jamie Lokier wrote:
> With multiple X servers, there can be more than one currently logged in user.
>
> Same with multiple text consoles - that's more familiar.
>
> Which one owns /dev/vmch3?
>
For a VMM, copy/paste should work with whatever user has the active X
session that's controlling the physical display.
Yes, it could get complicated if we supported multiple video cards, but
fortunately we don't :-)
I really think you need to have a copy/paste daemon that allows multiple
X sessions to connect to it and then that daemon can somehow determine
who is the "active" session.
This is part of the reason I've been pushing for a concrete example.
All the signs here point to a privileged daemon that delegates to
multiple users. I think just about any use-case will have a similar model.
It really suggests that you need _one_ vmchannel that's exposed to
userspace with a single userspace daemon that consumes it. You want the
flexibility of a userspace daemon in determining how you multiplex and
do security. I don't think it's something you want to bake into the
userspace/kernel interface.
And if you have a single daemon that serves vmchannel sessions, that
daemon can make it transparent whether the session is going over
/dev/ttyS0, a network device, /dev/hvc1, etc.
Regards,
Anthony Liguori
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
Cc: Amit Shah <amit.shah@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: virtio-serial: An interface for host-guest communication
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 18:44:28 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A6E3BDC.8050101@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090727204627.GA32432@shareable.org>
Jamie Lokier wrote:
> With multiple X servers, there can be more than one currently logged in user.
>
> Same with multiple text consoles - that's more familiar.
>
> Which one owns /dev/vmch3?
>
For a VMM, copy/paste should work with whatever user has the active X
session that's controlling the physical display.
Yes, it could get complicated if we supported multiple video cards, but
fortunately we don't :-)
I really think you need to have a copy/paste daemon that allows multiple
X sessions to connect to it and then that daemon can somehow determine
who is the "active" session.
This is part of the reason I've been pushing for a concrete example.
All the signs here point to a privileged daemon that delegates to
multiple users. I think just about any use-case will have a similar model.
It really suggests that you need _one_ vmchannel that's exposed to
userspace with a single userspace daemon that consumes it. You want the
flexibility of a userspace daemon in determining how you multiplex and
do security. I don't think it's something you want to bake into the
userspace/kernel interface.
And if you have a single daemon that serves vmchannel sessions, that
daemon can make it transparent whether the session is going over
/dev/ttyS0, a network device, /dev/hvc1, etc.
Regards,
Anthony Liguori
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-07-27 23:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 175+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-07-27 18:04 virtio-serial: An interface for host-guest communication Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04 ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04 ` [PATCH 1/1] virtio_serial: A char device for simple guest <-> host communication Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04 ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04 ` [PATCH 1/3] virtio-serial: virtio device for simple host <-> guest communication Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04 ` Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04 ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04 ` [PATCH 2/3] vnc: add a is_vnc_active() helper Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04 ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04 ` [PATCH 3/3] virtio-serial: vnc: support for sending / receiving guest clipboard Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04 ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04 ` Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04 ` [PATCH 2/3] vnc: add a is_vnc_active() helper Amit Shah
2009-08-05 0:03 ` [PATCH 1/1] virtio_serial: A char device for simple guest <-> host communication Rusty Russell
2009-08-05 0:03 ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-05 0:03 ` [Qemu-devel] " Rusty Russell
2009-08-05 5:12 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-05 5:12 ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-08-05 9:58 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-05 9:58 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-05 9:58 ` [Qemu-devel] " Amit Shah
2009-07-27 18:04 ` Amit Shah
2009-07-27 20:22 ` virtio-serial: An interface for host-guest communication Anthony Liguori
2009-07-27 20:22 ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2009-07-27 20:32 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-07-27 20:37 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-27 20:37 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-27 20:46 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-27 20:46 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-27 23:44 ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2009-07-27 23:44 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-28 10:36 ` Amit Shah
2009-07-28 10:36 ` Amit Shah
2009-07-28 13:42 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-29 7:44 ` Amit Shah
2009-07-29 7:44 ` Amit Shah
2009-07-29 7:44 ` Amit Shah
2009-07-29 7:48 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-07-29 7:48 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-07-29 7:48 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-08-05 18:00 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-05 18:00 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-05 18:00 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-28 13:42 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-28 10:36 ` Amit Shah
2009-07-28 14:00 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2009-07-28 14:48 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-28 14:55 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2009-07-28 14:55 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2009-07-28 15:00 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-28 15:00 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-28 14:48 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-03 19:57 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-03 19:57 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-05 17:57 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-05 17:57 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-05 17:57 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-05 18:00 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-05 18:00 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-06 10:38 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 10:38 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 10:38 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 13:29 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-06 13:29 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-06 13:41 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 13:41 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 13:58 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-06 13:58 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-06 13:58 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-06 14:04 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 14:04 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 17:37 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-06 17:37 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-07 6:38 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-07 6:38 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-07 14:14 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-07 14:14 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 6:55 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-10 6:55 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-10 9:47 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10 9:47 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10 9:47 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10 13:02 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 13:02 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 14:02 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10 14:02 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10 14:02 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10 14:20 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 14:20 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 15:34 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10 15:34 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10 16:59 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 16:59 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 16:59 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 17:27 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 17:27 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 17:27 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-12 18:27 ` Paul Brook
2009-08-12 18:27 ` Paul Brook
2009-08-12 18:27 ` Paul Brook
2009-08-14 8:15 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-14 8:15 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-14 8:15 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-14 13:29 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-14 13:29 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-14 13:29 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-14 13:41 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-14 13:41 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-14 13:41 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20 13:42 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20 13:42 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20 14:25 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-08-20 14:25 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-08-20 14:38 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20 14:38 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20 14:42 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20 14:42 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20 14:42 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20 13:42 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-14 13:49 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-14 13:49 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-14 16:25 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-14 16:25 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-14 16:25 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-20 7:31 ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-20 7:31 ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-20 7:31 ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-20 7:44 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-20 7:44 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-20 7:55 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20 7:55 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-20 17:10 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-20 17:10 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-20 17:10 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-20 7:55 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-25 12:43 ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-25 12:43 ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-25 12:43 ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-25 13:00 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-25 13:00 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-25 13:00 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-20 7:44 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10 15:34 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10 14:20 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 14:20 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 14:20 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 14:20 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 13:02 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 23:09 ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-10 23:09 ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-11 0:16 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-11 0:16 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-11 0:16 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 23:09 ` Rusty Russell
2009-08-10 14:27 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 14:27 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-10 15:57 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10 15:57 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-10 15:57 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-08-07 6:38 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 17:37 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-08-06 14:04 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 13:41 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 13:29 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-05 18:00 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-08-06 10:35 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 10:35 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-06 10:35 ` Amit Shah
2009-08-05 18:32 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2009-08-05 18:32 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2009-07-28 14:00 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2009-07-27 23:44 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-07-27 20:46 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-07-27 20:32 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2009-07-27 20:22 ` Anthony Liguori
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