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From: Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>
To: Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Li Zefan <lizf-BthXqXjhjHXQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>,
	containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
	cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Michal Schmidt <mschmidt-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker
	<fweisbec-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Kay Sievers <kay.sievers-tD+1rO4QERM@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Lennart Poettering
	<lennart-mdGvqq1h2p+GdvJs77BJ7Q@public.gmane.org>,
	Andrew Morton
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFD] cgroup: about multiple hierarchies
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 17:37:07 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120312223707.GA8272@peqn> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120312221050.GG23255-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

Quoting Tejun Heo (tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org):
> Hello, guys.
> 
> Thanks a lot for the discussion and here are my take aways:
> 
> * At least to me, nobody seems to have strong enough justification for
>   orthogonal multiple hierarchies, so, yeah, unless something else

First off, can you (sorry) show an example of exactly what would no
longer be supported?  Is this the ability to not separately mount
freezer and cpusets (for instance)?

I've submitted a topic for the upcoming linux foundation end user summit
in new york, to get feedback from end users.  (Frankly I don't want to go
so would love if someone else wanted to do this :).  I think it'd be nice
to wait and see if this gets accepted, and see whether any end users are
relying on this.

(IMO it's wrong to say that "if you are using a current feature, you'd
better be reading lkml so you can speak up lest that feature might get
removed.")

>   happens, I'm scheduling multiple hierarchy support for the chopping
>   block.  This is a long term thing (think years), so no need to panic
>   right now and as is life plans may change and fail to materialize,
>   but I intend to at least move away from it.
> 
> * Several people pointed out that it would be inconvenient to require
>   cgroup hierarchy to be a strict super-imposed tree on top of process
>   tree and that program groups / sessions aren't like that either.  I
>   agree, so it will hopefully be single hierarchy which more or less
>   behaves the same as the current hierarchy.
> 
> * How to map controllers which aren't aware of full hierarchy is still
>   an open question but I'm still standing by one active node on any
>   root-to-leaf path w/ root group serving as the special rest group.
> 
>   This should happen first for the long migration to begin.  I might
>   get to it someday but if anyone can beat me to it, please go ahead.
>   I'll be ecstatic to review and merge the patches.
> 
> Also, I'll slowly be marking features which don't seem essential,
> especially the convenience features for multiple hierarchies, as
> deprecated and eventually chop them.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- 
> tejun
> _______________________________________________
> Containers mailing list
> Containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/containers

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@canonical.com>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Li Zefan <lizf@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	Michal Schmidt <mschmidt@redhat.com>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Lennart Poettering <lennart@poettering.net>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFD] cgroup: about multiple hierarchies
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 17:37:07 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120312223707.GA8272@peqn> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120312221050.GG23255@google.com>

Quoting Tejun Heo (tj@kernel.org):
> Hello, guys.
> 
> Thanks a lot for the discussion and here are my take aways:
> 
> * At least to me, nobody seems to have strong enough justification for
>   orthogonal multiple hierarchies, so, yeah, unless something else

First off, can you (sorry) show an example of exactly what would no
longer be supported?  Is this the ability to not separately mount
freezer and cpusets (for instance)?

I've submitted a topic for the upcoming linux foundation end user summit
in new york, to get feedback from end users.  (Frankly I don't want to go
so would love if someone else wanted to do this :).  I think it'd be nice
to wait and see if this gets accepted, and see whether any end users are
relying on this.

(IMO it's wrong to say that "if you are using a current feature, you'd
better be reading lkml so you can speak up lest that feature might get
removed.")

>   happens, I'm scheduling multiple hierarchy support for the chopping
>   block.  This is a long term thing (think years), so no need to panic
>   right now and as is life plans may change and fail to materialize,
>   but I intend to at least move away from it.
> 
> * Several people pointed out that it would be inconvenient to require
>   cgroup hierarchy to be a strict super-imposed tree on top of process
>   tree and that program groups / sessions aren't like that either.  I
>   agree, so it will hopefully be single hierarchy which more or less
>   behaves the same as the current hierarchy.
> 
> * How to map controllers which aren't aware of full hierarchy is still
>   an open question but I'm still standing by one active node on any
>   root-to-leaf path w/ root group serving as the special rest group.
> 
>   This should happen first for the long migration to begin.  I might
>   get to it someday but if anyone can beat me to it, please go ahead.
>   I'll be ecstatic to review and merge the patches.
> 
> Also, I'll slowly be marking features which don't seem essential,
> especially the convenience features for multiple hierarchies, as
> deprecated and eventually chop them.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> -- 
> tejun
> _______________________________________________
> Containers mailing list
> Containers@lists.linux-foundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/containers

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-03-12 22:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 211+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-21 21:19 [RFD] cgroup: about multiple hierarchies Tejun Heo
2012-02-21 21:19 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found] ` <20120221211938.GE12236-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-21 21:21   ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-21 21:21   ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-21 21:21     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]     ` <20120221212106.GF12236-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-22 13:34       ` Glauber Costa
2012-02-22 13:34         ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]         ` <4F44EEE4.2000809-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-23  7:45           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2012-02-23  7:45             ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]             ` <20120223074526.GA15835-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-23 17:29               ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23 17:29                 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                 ` <20120223172915.GC22536-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-23 18:47                   ` Serge Hallyn
2012-02-23 18:47                     ` Serge Hallyn
2012-02-23  7:45           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2012-02-22 13:34       ` Glauber Costa
2012-02-26  4:59       ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2012-02-26  4:59       ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2012-02-26  4:59         ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2012-02-22 13:30   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-22 13:30     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-22 13:37     ` Glauber Costa
2012-02-22 13:37     ` Glauber Costa
2012-02-22 13:37       ` Glauber Costa
2012-02-22 18:01     ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-22 18:01     ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-22 18:01       ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23  7:39     ` Li Zefan
2012-02-23  7:39     ` Li Zefan
2012-02-23  7:39       ` Li Zefan
2012-02-22 13:30   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-22 15:45   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-22 15:45     ` Frederic Weisbecker
     [not found]     ` <20120222154501.GA1693-oHC15RC7JGTpAmv0O++HtFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-22 18:22       ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-22 18:22         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20120222182207.GC32694-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-27 17:46           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-27 17:46         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-22 18:22       ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-22 16:38   ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-22 16:38   ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-22 16:38     ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]     ` <20120222163858.GB4128-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-22 16:57       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-22 16:57       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-22 16:57         ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]         ` <20120222165714.GC4128-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-22 18:43           ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-22 18:43           ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-22 18:43             ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23  9:41           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-23  9:41             ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-23 14:13             ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-23 14:13               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-01 17:19               ` Michal Schmidt
2012-03-01 17:19                 ` Michal Schmidt
     [not found]                 ` <4F4FAF89.3090706-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-01 18:03                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-01 18:03                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 11:08                     ` Michal Schmidt
2012-03-02 11:08                       ` Michal Schmidt
     [not found]                       ` <4F50AA22.9080007-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-02 11:23                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 11:23                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 11:28                           ` Michal Schmidt
2012-03-02 11:28                             ` Michal Schmidt
     [not found]                             ` <4F50AEC3.5090807-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-02 11:34                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 11:34                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 11:23                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-01 20:26                   ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-01 20:26                   ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-01 20:26                     ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]                     ` <1330633603.7414.49.camel-YqMYhexLQo31wTEvPJ5Q0F6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-01 21:02                       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-03-01 21:02                         ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                         ` <20120301210213.GF13533-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-01 22:04                           ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-01 22:04                           ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-01 22:04                             ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]                             ` <1330639448.7414.97.camel-YqMYhexLQo31wTEvPJ5Q0F6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-01 22:38                               ` C Anthony Risinger
2012-03-01 22:38                               ` C Anthony Risinger
2012-03-01 22:38                                 ` C Anthony Risinger
2012-03-02 10:51                               ` Michal Schmidt
2012-03-02 10:51                                 ` Michal Schmidt
     [not found]                                 ` <4F50A63F.40306-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-02 11:52                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-02 11:52                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-02 11:52                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-05 12:43                               ` Lennart Poettering
2012-03-05 12:43                                 ` Lennart Poettering
     [not found]                                 ` <20120305124310.GD10929-kS5D54t9nk0aINubkmmoJbNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-05 15:47                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-05 15:47                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-05 15:47                                     ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]                                     ` <1330962421.7368.69.camel-YqMYhexLQo31wTEvPJ5Q0F6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-05 19:58                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-05 19:58                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-01 21:02                       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-03-02  2:43                       ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-02  2:43                         ` Kay Sievers
     [not found]                         ` <CAPXgP12_A=uz_p92eBN49DTSKj7iP0rChW9cE81aZKWEjOH5nA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-02 10:15                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 10:15                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 10:15                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 11:16                       ` Michal Schmidt
2012-03-02 11:16                         ` Michal Schmidt
     [not found]                         ` <4F50ABF2.5070809-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-02 11:24                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 11:24                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 11:24                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-23 21:38             ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-23 21:38               ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]               ` <20120223213847.GK19691-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-23 22:34                 ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23 22:34                   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                   ` <20120223223457.GJ22536-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-28 21:16                     ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-28 21:16                       ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                       ` <20120228211627.GH9920-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-28 21:21                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 21:21                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 21:35                           ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-28 21:35                             ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                             ` <20120228213526.GI9920-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-28 21:43                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 21:43                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 21:54                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-28 21:54                                   ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                                   ` <20120228215439.GJ9920-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-28 22:00                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 22:00                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 22:31                                       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-28 22:31                                         ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-28 21:53                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 21:53                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 22:09                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-28 22:09                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-24 11:33                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-24 11:33                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-22 18:33       ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-22 18:33         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20120222183351.GD32694-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-23 19:41           ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-23 19:41             ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]             ` <20120223194109.GI19691-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-23 22:38               ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23 22:38               ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23 22:38                 ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-22 18:33       ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23  7:59       ` Li Zefan
2012-02-23  7:59         ` Li Zefan
     [not found]         ` <4F45F1F0.2010102-BthXqXjhjHXQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-23 20:32           ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-23 20:32             ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-23  7:59       ` Li Zefan
2012-02-23  8:22   ` Li Zefan
2012-02-23  8:22   ` Li Zefan
2012-02-23  8:22     ` Li Zefan
     [not found]     ` <4F45F742.1060605-BthXqXjhjHXQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-23 17:33       ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23 17:33       ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23 17:33         ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-03  9:58   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]     ` <m162em2efy.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-03 14:26       ` Serge Hallyn
2012-03-03 14:26       ` Serge Hallyn
2012-03-03 14:26         ` Serge Hallyn
2012-03-05 11:37   ` Lennart Poettering
2012-03-05 11:37     ` Lennart Poettering
2012-03-05 11:37   ` Lennart Poettering
2012-03-12 22:10   ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 22:10     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]     ` <20120312221050.GG23255-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-12 22:22       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 22:22         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 22:28         ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 22:28           ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]           ` <20120312222817.GI23255-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-12 22:31             ` Lennart Poettering
2012-03-12 22:31               ` Lennart Poettering
     [not found]               ` <20120312223113.GB18359-kS5D54t9nk0aINubkmmoJbNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-12 23:00                 ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 23:00                   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                   ` <20120312230020.GL23255-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-12 23:02                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 23:02                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 23:09                       ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 23:09                         ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 23:09                       ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 23:43                       ` Lennart Poettering
2012-03-12 23:43                         ` Lennart Poettering
2012-03-12 23:00                 ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 22:31             ` Lennart Poettering
2012-03-12 22:32             ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 22:32               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 22:39               ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 22:39               ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 22:39                 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                 ` <20120312223944.GJ23255-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-12 22:44                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 22:44                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 23:04                     ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 23:04                       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                       ` <20120312230416.GM23255-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-13 14:10                         ` Vivek Goyal
2012-03-13 14:10                           ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                           ` <20120313141032.GD29169-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-13 16:11                             ` C Anthony Risinger
2012-03-13 16:11                             ` C Anthony Risinger
2012-03-13 16:11                               ` C Anthony Risinger
     [not found]                               ` <CAGAVQTGus7LUWV3AdhAFy--gr=uJRWtSGjuP69-EckBiXy0qVg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-13 16:30                                 ` C Anthony Risinger
2012-03-13 16:30                                   ` C Anthony Risinger
2012-03-13 17:25                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-13 17:25                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-13 17:31                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-13 17:31                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-13 10:11                     ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-13 10:11                       ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-13 10:11                     ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-13 14:03             ` Vivek Goyal
2012-03-13 14:03               ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]               ` <20120313140345.GC29169-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-13 15:59                 ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-13 15:59                   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                   ` <20120313155955.GB7349-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-16 23:14                     ` James Bottomley
2012-03-16 23:14                     ` James Bottomley
2012-03-16 23:14                       ` James Bottomley
2012-03-13 15:59                 ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 22:22       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 22:37       ` Serge Hallyn [this message]
2012-03-12 22:37         ` Serge Hallyn
2012-03-12 22:55         ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 22:55           ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 22:55         ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 22:37       ` Serge Hallyn
2012-03-13 13:49       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-03-13 13:49         ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]         ` <20120313134922.GB29169-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-13 16:02           ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-13 16:02           ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-13 16:02             ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 22:10   ` Tejun Heo
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-02-21 21:19 Tejun Heo

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