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From: Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
To: Lennart Poettering <mzxreary-uLTowLwuiw4b1SvskN2V4Q@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Li Zefan <lizf-BthXqXjhjHXQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>,
	containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
	cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Andrew Morton
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	Kay Sievers <kay.sievers-tD+1rO4QERM@public.gmane.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker
	<fweisbec-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Michal Schmidt <mschmidt-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFD] cgroup: about multiple hierarchies
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:00:20 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120312230020.GL23255@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120312223113.GB18359-kS5D54t9nk0aINubkmmoJbNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>

Hey, Lennart.

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:31:14PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:22:18PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2012-03-12 at 15:10 -0700, Tejun Heo wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > * How to map controllers which aren't aware of full hierarchy is still
> > > >   an open question but I'm still standing by one active node on any
> > > >   root-to-leaf path w/ root group serving as the special rest group. 
> > > 
> > > What does this mean?
> > 
> > Let's say we have a tree like the following.
> > 
> >          root
> >       /   |   \
> >      G1  G2   G3
> >              /  \
> > 	   G31  G32
> > 
> > So, for cgroups which don't support full hierarchy, it'll be viewed as
> > either,
> > 
> >          root
> >       /   |   \
> >      G1  G2   G3
> > 
> > or
> > 
> >           root
> >       /   |   |  \
> >      G1  G2  G31 G32
> > 
> > With root being treated specially, probably as just being a equal
> > group as other groups, I'm not fully determined about that yet.
> 
> Note that at least systemd places all services by default beneath a
> single "super" group (/system/), hence the first suggestion would make
> little sense for us. The second suggestion would be fine however.

Ooh, both will be available to choose from.  I was trying to explain
that there can be configuration only at one layer for any task so that
it can be mapped to flat hierarchy.  Where to apply the config will be
selected by the user (or system tool).

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Lennart Poettering <mzxreary@0pointer.de>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Li Zefan <lizf@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>,
	Michal Schmidt <mschmidt@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFD] cgroup: about multiple hierarchies
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 16:00:20 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120312230020.GL23255@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120312223113.GB18359@tango.0pointer.de>

Hey, Lennart.

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:31:14PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:22:18PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2012-03-12 at 15:10 -0700, Tejun Heo wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > * How to map controllers which aren't aware of full hierarchy is still
> > > >   an open question but I'm still standing by one active node on any
> > > >   root-to-leaf path w/ root group serving as the special rest group. 
> > > 
> > > What does this mean?
> > 
> > Let's say we have a tree like the following.
> > 
> >          root
> >       /   |   \
> >      G1  G2   G3
> >              /  \
> > 	   G31  G32
> > 
> > So, for cgroups which don't support full hierarchy, it'll be viewed as
> > either,
> > 
> >          root
> >       /   |   \
> >      G1  G2   G3
> > 
> > or
> > 
> >           root
> >       /   |   |  \
> >      G1  G2  G31 G32
> > 
> > With root being treated specially, probably as just being a equal
> > group as other groups, I'm not fully determined about that yet.
> 
> Note that at least systemd places all services by default beneath a
> single "super" group (/system/), hence the first suggestion would make
> little sense for us. The second suggestion would be fine however.

Ooh, both will be available to choose from.  I was trying to explain
that there can be configuration only at one layer for any task so that
it can be mapped to flat hierarchy.  Where to apply the config will be
selected by the user (or system tool).

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-03-12 23:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 211+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-02-21 21:19 [RFD] cgroup: about multiple hierarchies Tejun Heo
2012-02-21 21:19 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found] ` <20120221211938.GE12236-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-21 21:21   ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-21 21:21     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]     ` <20120221212106.GF12236-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-22 13:34       ` Glauber Costa
2012-02-22 13:34       ` Glauber Costa
2012-02-22 13:34         ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]         ` <4F44EEE4.2000809-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-23  7:45           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2012-02-23  7:45           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2012-02-23  7:45             ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]             ` <20120223074526.GA15835-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-23 17:29               ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23 17:29                 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                 ` <20120223172915.GC22536-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-23 18:47                   ` Serge Hallyn
2012-02-23 18:47                     ` Serge Hallyn
2012-02-26  4:59       ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2012-02-26  4:59         ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2012-02-26  4:59       ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2012-02-21 21:21   ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-22 13:30   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-22 13:30   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-22 13:30     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-22 13:37     ` Glauber Costa
2012-02-22 13:37     ` Glauber Costa
2012-02-22 13:37       ` Glauber Costa
2012-02-22 18:01     ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-22 18:01     ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-22 18:01       ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23  7:39     ` Li Zefan
2012-02-23  7:39     ` Li Zefan
2012-02-23  7:39       ` Li Zefan
2012-02-22 15:45   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-22 15:45     ` Frederic Weisbecker
     [not found]     ` <20120222154501.GA1693-oHC15RC7JGTpAmv0O++HtFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-22 18:22       ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-22 18:22         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20120222182207.GC32694-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-27 17:46           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-27 17:46         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2012-02-22 18:22       ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-22 16:38   ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-22 16:38     ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]     ` <20120222163858.GB4128-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-22 16:57       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-22 16:57       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-22 16:57         ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]         ` <20120222165714.GC4128-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-22 18:43           ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-22 18:43           ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-22 18:43             ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23  9:41           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-23  9:41             ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-23 14:13             ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-23 14:13               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-01 17:19               ` Michal Schmidt
2012-03-01 17:19                 ` Michal Schmidt
     [not found]                 ` <4F4FAF89.3090706-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-01 18:03                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-01 18:03                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 11:08                     ` Michal Schmidt
2012-03-02 11:08                       ` Michal Schmidt
     [not found]                       ` <4F50AA22.9080007-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-02 11:23                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 11:23                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 11:23                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 11:28                           ` Michal Schmidt
2012-03-02 11:28                             ` Michal Schmidt
     [not found]                             ` <4F50AEC3.5090807-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-02 11:34                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 11:34                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-01 20:26                   ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-01 20:26                   ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-01 20:26                     ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]                     ` <1330633603.7414.49.camel-YqMYhexLQo31wTEvPJ5Q0F6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-01 21:02                       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-03-01 21:02                       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-03-01 21:02                         ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                         ` <20120301210213.GF13533-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-01 22:04                           ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-01 22:04                           ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-01 22:04                             ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]                             ` <1330639448.7414.97.camel-YqMYhexLQo31wTEvPJ5Q0F6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-01 22:38                               ` C Anthony Risinger
2012-03-01 22:38                               ` C Anthony Risinger
2012-03-01 22:38                                 ` C Anthony Risinger
2012-03-02 10:51                               ` Michal Schmidt
2012-03-02 10:51                                 ` Michal Schmidt
     [not found]                                 ` <4F50A63F.40306-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-02 11:52                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-02 11:52                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-02 11:52                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-05 12:43                               ` Lennart Poettering
2012-03-05 12:43                                 ` Lennart Poettering
     [not found]                                 ` <20120305124310.GD10929-kS5D54t9nk0aINubkmmoJbNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-05 15:47                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-05 15:47                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-05 15:47                                     ` Mike Galbraith
     [not found]                                     ` <1330962421.7368.69.camel-YqMYhexLQo31wTEvPJ5Q0F6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-05 19:58                                       ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-05 19:58                                         ` Mike Galbraith
2012-03-02  2:43                       ` Kay Sievers
2012-03-02  2:43                         ` Kay Sievers
     [not found]                         ` <CAPXgP12_A=uz_p92eBN49DTSKj7iP0rChW9cE81aZKWEjOH5nA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-02 10:15                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 10:15                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 10:15                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 11:16                       ` Michal Schmidt
2012-03-02 11:16                         ` Michal Schmidt
     [not found]                         ` <4F50ABF2.5070809-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-02 11:24                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 11:24                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-02 11:24                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-23 21:38             ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-23 21:38               ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]               ` <20120223213847.GK19691-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-23 22:34                 ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23 22:34                   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                   ` <20120223223457.GJ22536-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-28 21:16                     ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-28 21:16                       ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                       ` <20120228211627.GH9920-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-28 21:21                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 21:21                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 21:35                           ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-28 21:35                             ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                             ` <20120228213526.GI9920-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-28 21:43                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 21:43                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 21:54                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-28 21:54                                   ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                                   ` <20120228215439.GJ9920-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-28 22:00                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 22:00                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 22:31                                       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-28 22:31                                         ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-28 21:53                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 21:53                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-28 22:09                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-28 22:09                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-24 11:33                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-24 11:33                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-02-22 18:33       ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-22 18:33       ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-22 18:33         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]         ` <20120222183351.GD32694-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-23 19:41           ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-23 19:41             ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]             ` <20120223194109.GI19691-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-23 22:38               ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23 22:38               ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23 22:38                 ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23  7:59       ` Li Zefan
2012-02-23  7:59         ` Li Zefan
     [not found]         ` <4F45F1F0.2010102-BthXqXjhjHXQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-23 20:32           ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-23 20:32             ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-23  7:59       ` Li Zefan
2012-02-22 16:38   ` Vivek Goyal
2012-02-23  8:22   ` Li Zefan
2012-02-23  8:22     ` Li Zefan
     [not found]     ` <4F45F742.1060605-BthXqXjhjHXQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2012-02-23 17:33       ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23 17:33         ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23 17:33       ` Tejun Heo
2012-02-23  8:22   ` Li Zefan
2012-03-03  9:58   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]     ` <m162em2efy.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-03 14:26       ` Serge Hallyn
2012-03-03 14:26         ` Serge Hallyn
2012-03-03 14:26       ` Serge Hallyn
2012-03-05 11:37   ` Lennart Poettering
2012-03-05 11:37   ` Lennart Poettering
2012-03-05 11:37     ` Lennart Poettering
2012-03-12 22:10   ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 22:10   ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 22:10     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]     ` <20120312221050.GG23255-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-12 22:22       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 22:22       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 22:22         ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 22:28         ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 22:28           ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]           ` <20120312222817.GI23255-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-12 22:31             ` Lennart Poettering
2012-03-12 22:31             ` Lennart Poettering
2012-03-12 22:31               ` Lennart Poettering
     [not found]               ` <20120312223113.GB18359-kS5D54t9nk0aINubkmmoJbNAH6kLmebB@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-12 23:00                 ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2012-03-12 23:00                   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                   ` <20120312230020.GL23255-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-12 23:02                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 23:02                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 23:09                       ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 23:09                       ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 23:09                         ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 23:43                       ` Lennart Poettering
2012-03-12 23:43                         ` Lennart Poettering
2012-03-12 23:00                 ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 22:32             ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 22:32               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 22:39               ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 22:39                 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                 ` <20120312223944.GJ23255-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-12 22:44                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 22:44                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-12 23:04                     ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 23:04                       ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                       ` <20120312230416.GM23255-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-13 14:10                         ` Vivek Goyal
2012-03-13 14:10                           ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]                           ` <20120313141032.GD29169-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-13 16:11                             ` C Anthony Risinger
2012-03-13 16:11                             ` C Anthony Risinger
2012-03-13 16:11                               ` C Anthony Risinger
     [not found]                               ` <CAGAVQTGus7LUWV3AdhAFy--gr=uJRWtSGjuP69-EckBiXy0qVg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-13 16:30                                 ` C Anthony Risinger
2012-03-13 16:30                                   ` C Anthony Risinger
2012-03-13 17:25                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-13 17:25                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-13 17:31                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-13 17:31                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-03-13 10:11                     ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-13 10:11                     ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-13 10:11                       ` Glauber Costa
2012-03-12 22:39               ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-13 14:03             ` Vivek Goyal
2012-03-13 14:03               ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]               ` <20120313140345.GC29169-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-13 15:59                 ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-13 15:59                 ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-13 15:59                   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                   ` <20120313155955.GB7349-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-16 23:14                     ` James Bottomley
2012-03-16 23:14                       ` James Bottomley
2012-03-16 23:14                     ` James Bottomley
2012-03-12 22:37       ` Serge Hallyn
2012-03-12 22:37         ` Serge Hallyn
2012-03-12 22:55         ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 22:55         ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 22:55           ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-12 22:37       ` Serge Hallyn
2012-03-13 13:49       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-03-13 13:49         ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found]         ` <20120313134922.GB29169-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-03-13 16:02           ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-13 16:02           ` Tejun Heo
2012-03-13 16:02             ` Tejun Heo
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2012-02-21 21:19 Tejun Heo

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