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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: Rafael Aquini <aquini@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>, Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 2/4] virtio_balloon: introduce migration primitives to balloon pages
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 00:38:32 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120814213832.GA29180@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <502ABB9B.90108@redhat.com>

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 04:56:59PM -0400, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On 08/14/2012 04:54 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> 
> >To clarify, the global state that this patch adds, is ugly
> >even if we didn't support multiple balloons yet.
> >So I don't think I can accept such a patch.
> >Rusty has a final word here, maybe he thinks differently.
> 
> Before deciding that "does not support multiple balloon drivers
> at once" is an issue, is there any use case at all for having
> multiple balloon drivers active at a time?
> 
> I do not see any.

For example, we had a proposal for a page-cache backed
device. So it could be useful to have two, a regular balloon
and a pagecache backed one.
There could be other uses - it certainly looks like it
works so how can you be sure it's useless?

And even ignoring that, global pointer to a device
is an ugly hack and ugly hacks tend to explode.

And even ignoring estetics, and if we decide we are fine
with a single balloon, it needs to fail gracefully not
crash like it does now.

> -- 
> All rights reversed

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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: Rafael Aquini <aquini@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>, Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 2/4] virtio_balloon: introduce migration primitives to balloon pages
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 00:38:32 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120814213832.GA29180@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <502ABB9B.90108@redhat.com>

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 04:56:59PM -0400, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On 08/14/2012 04:54 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> 
> >To clarify, the global state that this patch adds, is ugly
> >even if we didn't support multiple balloons yet.
> >So I don't think I can accept such a patch.
> >Rusty has a final word here, maybe he thinks differently.
> 
> Before deciding that "does not support multiple balloon drivers
> at once" is an issue, is there any use case at all for having
> multiple balloon drivers active at a time?
> 
> I do not see any.

For example, we had a proposal for a page-cache backed
device. So it could be useful to have two, a regular balloon
and a pagecache backed one.
There could be other uses - it certainly looks like it
works so how can you be sure it's useless?

And even ignoring that, global pointer to a device
is an ugly hack and ugly hacks tend to explode.

And even ignoring estetics, and if we decide we are fine
with a single balloon, it needs to fail gracefully not
crash like it does now.

> -- 
> All rights reversed

  reply	other threads:[~2012-08-14 21:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 146+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-08-10 17:55 [PATCH v7 0/4] make balloon pages movable by compaction Rafael Aquini
2012-08-10 17:55 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-10 17:55 ` [PATCH v7 1/4] mm: introduce compaction and migration for virtio ballooned pages Rafael Aquini
2012-08-10 17:55   ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-10 17:55   ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-12 23:14   ` Minchan Kim
2012-08-12 23:14   ` Minchan Kim
2012-08-12 23:14     ` Minchan Kim
2012-08-13  8:26   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-13  8:26   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-13  8:26     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 17:44     ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 17:44       ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 19:35       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 19:35         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 19:35         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 19:48         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 19:48           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:03           ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 20:03           ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 20:03             ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 19:48         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:00         ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 20:00         ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 20:00           ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 20:23           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:23             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:23           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-15  8:52           ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-15  8:52             ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-15  8:52             ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-14 19:52       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 19:52         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 19:52         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 17:44     ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-10 17:55 ` [PATCH v7 2/4] virtio_balloon: introduce migration primitives to balloon pages Rafael Aquini
2012-08-10 17:55 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-10 17:55   ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-13  8:41   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-13  8:41     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-13 23:59     ` Rusty Russell
2012-08-13 23:59       ` Rusty Russell
2012-08-14  8:33       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14  8:33       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14  8:33         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 18:44         ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 18:44         ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 18:44           ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 19:31           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 19:31           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 19:31             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-15 12:34             ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-15 12:34             ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-15 12:34               ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-15 14:40               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-15 14:40                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-15 14:40                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-20  2:29                 ` Rusty Russell
2012-08-20  2:29                 ` Rusty Russell
2012-08-20  2:29                   ` Rusty Russell
2012-08-20  5:12                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-20  5:12                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-20  5:12                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-15  3:13         ` Rusty Russell
2012-08-15  3:13           ` Rusty Russell
2012-08-15  3:13           ` Rusty Russell
2012-08-13 23:59     ` Rusty Russell
2012-08-14 18:22     ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 18:22     ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 18:22       ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 19:51       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 19:51       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 19:51         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 19:59         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 19:59           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:08           ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 20:08             ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 20:24             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:24             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:24               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:29               ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 20:29               ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 20:29                 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 20:49                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:49                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:54                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:54                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:54                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:56                     ` Rik van Riel
2012-08-14 20:56                       ` Rik van Riel
2012-08-14 21:38                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2012-08-14 21:38                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-15 15:30                         ` Rik van Riel
2012-08-15 15:30                           ` Rik van Riel
2012-08-15 15:30                           ` Rik van Riel
2012-08-14 21:38                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:56                     ` Rik van Riel
2012-08-14 21:34                   ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 21:34                   ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 21:34                     ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 22:48                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 22:48                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 22:48                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:49                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:08           ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 19:59         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:11         ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 20:11           ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 20:11           ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 20:31           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:31             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:31           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-15  9:05           ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-15  9:05             ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-15  9:05             ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-15  9:25             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-15  9:25             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-15  9:25               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-15  9:48               ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-15  9:48               ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-15  9:48                 ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-15 10:01                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-15 10:01                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-15 10:01                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-15 11:16                   ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-15 11:16                   ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-15 11:16                     ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-15 11:28                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-15 11:28                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-15 11:28                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-21  5:31                       ` Rusty Russell
2012-08-21  5:31                         ` Rusty Russell
2012-08-22  0:37                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-22  0:37                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-22  0:37                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-21  5:31                       ` Rusty Russell
2012-08-13  8:41   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-10 17:55 ` [PATCH v7 3/4] mm: introduce putback_movable_pages() Rafael Aquini
2012-08-10 17:55 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-10 17:55   ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-12 23:26   ` Minchan Kim
2012-08-12 23:26     ` Minchan Kim
2012-08-12 23:26     ` Minchan Kim
2012-08-10 17:55 ` [PATCH v7 4/4] mm: add vm event counters for balloon pages compaction Rafael Aquini
2012-08-10 17:55   ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-10 17:55 ` Rafael Aquini

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