From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Rafael Aquini <aquini@redhat.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 2/4] virtio_balloon: introduce migration primitives to balloon pages
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 12:16:51 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120815111651.GL4052@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120815100108.GA1999@redhat.com>
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 01:01:08PM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:48:39AM +0100, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:25:28PM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:05:28AM +0100, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 05:11:13PM -0300, Rafael Aquini wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:51:39PM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > > > What I think you should do is use rcu for access.
> > > > > > And here sync rcu before freeing.
> > > > > > Maybe an overkill but at least a documented synchronization
> > > > > > primitive, and it is very light weight.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I liked your suggestion on barriers, as well.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have not thought about this as deeply as I shouold but is simply rechecking
> > > > the mapping under the pages_lock to make sure the page is still a balloon
> > > > page an option? i.e. use pages_lock to stabilise page->mapping.
> > >
> > > To clarify, are you concerned about cost of rcu_read_lock
> > > for non balloon pages?
> > >
> >
> > Not as such, but given the choice between introducing RCU locking and
> > rechecking page->mapping under a spinlock I would choose the latter as it
> > is more straight-forward.
>
> OK but checking it how? page->mapping == balloon_mapping does not scale to
> multiple balloons,
I was thinking of exactly that page->mapping == balloon_mapping check. As I
do not know how many active balloon drivers there might be I cannot guess
in advance how much of a scalability problem it will be.
> so I hoped we can switch to
> page->mapping->flags & BALLOON_MAPPING or some such,
> but this means we dereference it outside the lock ...
>
That also sounded like future stuff to me that would be justified with
profiling if necessary. Personally I would have started with the spinlock
and a simple check and moved to RCU later when either scalability was a
problem or it was found there was a need to stabilise whether a page was
a balloon page or not outside a spinlock.
This is not a NAK to the idea and I'm not objecting to RCU being used now
if that is what is really desired. I just suspect it's making the series
more complex than it needs to be right now.
--
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs
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From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: Rafael Aquini <aquini@redhat.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 2/4] virtio_balloon: introduce migration primitives to balloon pages
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 12:16:51 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120815111651.GL4052@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120815100108.GA1999@redhat.com>
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 01:01:08PM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:48:39AM +0100, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:25:28PM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:05:28AM +0100, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 05:11:13PM -0300, Rafael Aquini wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:51:39PM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > > > What I think you should do is use rcu for access.
> > > > > > And here sync rcu before freeing.
> > > > > > Maybe an overkill but at least a documented synchronization
> > > > > > primitive, and it is very light weight.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I liked your suggestion on barriers, as well.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have not thought about this as deeply as I shouold but is simply rechecking
> > > > the mapping under the pages_lock to make sure the page is still a balloon
> > > > page an option? i.e. use pages_lock to stabilise page->mapping.
> > >
> > > To clarify, are you concerned about cost of rcu_read_lock
> > > for non balloon pages?
> > >
> >
> > Not as such, but given the choice between introducing RCU locking and
> > rechecking page->mapping under a spinlock I would choose the latter as it
> > is more straight-forward.
>
> OK but checking it how? page->mapping == balloon_mapping does not scale to
> multiple balloons,
I was thinking of exactly that page->mapping == balloon_mapping check. As I
do not know how many active balloon drivers there might be I cannot guess
in advance how much of a scalability problem it will be.
> so I hoped we can switch to
> page->mapping->flags & BALLOON_MAPPING or some such,
> but this means we dereference it outside the lock ...
>
That also sounded like future stuff to me that would be justified with
profiling if necessary. Personally I would have started with the spinlock
and a simple check and moved to RCU later when either scalability was a
problem or it was found there was a need to stabilise whether a page was
a balloon page or not outside a spinlock.
This is not a NAK to the idea and I'm not objecting to RCU being used now
if that is what is really desired. I just suspect it's making the series
more complex than it needs to be right now.
--
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-08-15 11:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 146+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-08-10 17:55 [PATCH v7 0/4] make balloon pages movable by compaction Rafael Aquini
2012-08-10 17:55 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-10 17:55 ` [PATCH v7 1/4] mm: introduce compaction and migration for virtio ballooned pages Rafael Aquini
2012-08-10 17:55 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-10 17:55 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-12 23:14 ` Minchan Kim
2012-08-12 23:14 ` Minchan Kim
2012-08-12 23:14 ` Minchan Kim
2012-08-13 8:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-13 8:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-13 8:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 17:44 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 17:44 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 19:35 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 19:35 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 19:35 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 19:48 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 19:48 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:03 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 20:03 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 20:03 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 19:48 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:00 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 20:00 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 20:00 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 20:23 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:23 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:23 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-15 8:52 ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-15 8:52 ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-15 8:52 ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-14 19:52 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 19:52 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 19:52 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 17:44 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-10 17:55 ` [PATCH v7 2/4] virtio_balloon: introduce migration primitives to balloon pages Rafael Aquini
2012-08-10 17:55 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-10 17:55 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-13 8:41 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-13 8:41 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-13 23:59 ` Rusty Russell
2012-08-13 23:59 ` Rusty Russell
2012-08-14 8:33 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 8:33 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 18:44 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 18:44 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 18:44 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 19:31 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 19:31 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 19:31 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-15 12:34 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-15 12:34 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-15 14:40 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-15 14:40 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-15 14:40 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-20 2:29 ` Rusty Russell
2012-08-20 2:29 ` Rusty Russell
2012-08-20 5:12 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-20 5:12 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-20 5:12 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-20 2:29 ` Rusty Russell
2012-08-15 12:34 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-15 3:13 ` Rusty Russell
2012-08-15 3:13 ` Rusty Russell
2012-08-15 3:13 ` Rusty Russell
2012-08-14 8:33 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-13 23:59 ` Rusty Russell
2012-08-14 18:22 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 18:22 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 18:22 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 19:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 19:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 19:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 19:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:08 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 20:08 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 20:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:29 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 20:29 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 20:29 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 20:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:54 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:54 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:54 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:56 ` Rik van Riel
2012-08-14 20:56 ` Rik van Riel
2012-08-14 20:56 ` Rik van Riel
2012-08-14 21:38 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 21:38 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-15 15:30 ` Rik van Riel
2012-08-15 15:30 ` Rik van Riel
2012-08-15 15:30 ` Rik van Riel
2012-08-14 21:38 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 21:34 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 21:34 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 21:34 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 22:48 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 22:48 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 22:48 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:08 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 19:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:11 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 20:11 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 20:11 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-14 20:31 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:31 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-14 20:31 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-15 9:05 ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-15 9:05 ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-15 9:05 ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-15 9:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-15 9:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-15 9:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-15 9:48 ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-15 9:48 ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-15 10:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-15 10:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-15 10:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-15 11:16 ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-15 11:16 ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2012-08-15 11:16 ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-15 11:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-15 11:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-15 11:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-21 5:31 ` Rusty Russell
2012-08-21 5:31 ` Rusty Russell
2012-08-21 5:31 ` Rusty Russell
2012-08-22 0:37 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-22 0:37 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-22 0:37 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-15 9:48 ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-14 19:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-13 8:41 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-08-10 17:55 ` [PATCH v7 3/4] mm: introduce putback_movable_pages() Rafael Aquini
2012-08-10 17:55 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-10 17:55 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-12 23:26 ` Minchan Kim
2012-08-12 23:26 ` Minchan Kim
2012-08-12 23:26 ` Minchan Kim
2012-08-10 17:55 ` [PATCH v7 4/4] mm: add vm event counters for balloon pages compaction Rafael Aquini
2012-08-10 17:55 ` Rafael Aquini
2012-08-10 17:55 ` Rafael Aquini
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