From: matt.porter@linaro.org (Matt Porter)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] ARM topic: Is DT on ARM the solution, or is there something better?
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 15:52:19 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131024195219.GY29341@beef> (raw)
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On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 03:46:00PM +0200, Maxime Bizon wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 13:14 +0000, David Woodhouse wrote:
>
> > If DMA gives a performance boost for all workloads, what bloody idiot
> > defined or reviewed a DT binding that didn't include the information which
>
> who defined it:
> - hobbyist programmer without DMA knowledge
> - hobbyist programmer without time
> - hobbyist programmer without datasheet access
> - SOC-vendor employed programmer with deadline
>
> who reviewed it:
> - someone without time
> - someone without datasheet access
> - no-one (programmer was part of DT team :)
One more for each list:
- professional programmer without datasheet access
I don't have docs for the parts I'm paid to work on. There's lots of
reasons why we don't know *all* information on day 0 and the notion of
binding perfection is flawed.
-Matt
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Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] ARM topic: Is DT on ARM the solution, or is there something better?
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 15:52:19 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131024195219.GY29341@beef> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1382622360.6040.79.camel-MdnFuL0m/hCw+z8RR+d9WEZ2mhrpEnA6@public.gmane.org>
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 03:46:00PM +0200, Maxime Bizon wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 13:14 +0000, David Woodhouse wrote:
>
> > If DMA gives a performance boost for all workloads, what bloody idiot
> > defined or reviewed a DT binding that didn't include the information which
>
> who defined it:
> - hobbyist programmer without DMA knowledge
> - hobbyist programmer without time
> - hobbyist programmer without datasheet access
> - SOC-vendor employed programmer with deadline
>
> who reviewed it:
> - someone without time
> - someone without datasheet access
> - no-one (programmer was part of DT team :)
One more for each list:
- professional programmer without datasheet access
I don't have docs for the parts I'm paid to work on. There's lots of
reasons why we don't know *all* information on day 0 and the notion of
binding perfection is flawed.
-Matt
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2013-10-20 21:26 ARM topic: Is DT on ARM the solution, or is there something better? Stephen Warren
2013-10-20 21:26 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-20 22:08 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Mark Brown
2013-10-20 22:08 ` Mark Brown
2013-10-20 22:21 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-20 22:21 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-21 1:00 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-21 1:00 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-21 9:15 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 9:15 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 14:57 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-21 14:57 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-21 17:07 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-21 17:07 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-21 20:24 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-21 20:24 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-22 9:24 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 9:24 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 17:30 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 17:30 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 19:06 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 19:06 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 17:22 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-22 17:22 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-21 20:29 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-21 20:29 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-21 20:40 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-21 20:40 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-22 9:39 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 9:39 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 15:04 ` Matt Porter
2013-10-22 15:04 ` Matt Porter
2013-10-22 17:13 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-22 17:13 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-22 17:49 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 17:49 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-23 8:06 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 8:06 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 9:49 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 9:49 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 17:16 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 17:16 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 17:25 ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 17:25 ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 18:05 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:05 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:57 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-23 18:57 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-23 20:12 ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 20:12 ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 17:55 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-23 17:55 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-23 18:13 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:13 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 20:35 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 20:35 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 17:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-23 17:29 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-23 17:45 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 17:45 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:46 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-23 18:46 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-23 18:51 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:51 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 19:12 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-23 19:12 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 9:52 ` Grant Likely
2013-10-24 9:52 ` Grant Likely
2013-10-24 11:33 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 11:33 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 11:47 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 11:47 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 12:13 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 12:13 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 12:22 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 12:22 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 12:22 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 12:22 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 13:05 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 13:05 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 13:14 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 13:14 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 13:46 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 13:46 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 19:52 ` Matt Porter [this message]
2013-10-24 19:52 ` Matt Porter
2013-10-24 20:11 ` Matt Sealey
2013-10-24 20:11 ` Matt Sealey
2013-10-25 9:00 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-25 9:00 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-24 12:23 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 12:23 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 12:29 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 12:29 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 13:00 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 13:00 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 13:10 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 13:10 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 13:30 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 13:30 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 14:05 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 14:05 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 14:19 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:19 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:30 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 14:30 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 14:38 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:38 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 16:39 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 16:39 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 16:45 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 16:45 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 17:08 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 17:08 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 18:15 ` jonsmirl at gmail.com
2013-10-24 18:15 ` jonsmirl-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w
2013-10-24 14:32 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24 14:32 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24 14:47 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:47 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 15:37 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 15:37 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 14:33 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 14:33 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 14:57 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:57 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 16:27 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 16:27 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 14:12 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:12 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:22 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 14:22 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 14:23 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:23 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:38 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 14:38 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 14:58 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:58 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 19:58 ` Matt Porter
2013-10-24 19:58 ` Matt Porter
2013-10-24 23:54 ` Grant Likely
2013-10-24 23:54 ` Grant Likely
2013-10-25 8:52 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-25 8:52 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-25 9:16 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-25 9:16 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 17:47 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 17:47 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 17:58 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-23 17:58 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-23 18:02 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-23 18:02 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-23 18:23 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:23 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24 8:34 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 8:34 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 15:00 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24 15:00 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24 19:46 ` Matt Porter
2013-10-24 19:46 ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 18:01 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-23 18:01 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-23 18:25 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-23 18:25 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-23 18:30 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:30 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:54 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-23 18:54 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-24 8:06 ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24 8:06 ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24 8:17 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 8:17 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 8:52 ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24 8:52 ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-23 23:29 ` Ben Hutchings
2013-10-23 23:29 ` Ben Hutchings
2013-10-24 7:32 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24 7:32 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24 9:35 ` Ben Hutchings
2013-10-24 9:35 ` Ben Hutchings
2013-10-24 12:02 ` Andre Heider
2013-10-24 12:02 ` Andre Heider
2013-10-24 8:01 ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24 8:01 ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24 8:11 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 8:11 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 17:42 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-22 17:42 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-22 18:21 ` Peter Maydell
2013-10-22 18:21 ` Peter Maydell
2013-10-22 18:36 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-22 18:36 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-22 19:16 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 19:16 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 20:12 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 20:12 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 20:41 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-22 20:41 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-22 21:39 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-22 21:39 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-23 8:50 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 8:50 ` Thierry Reding
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2013-10-22 9:45 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 8:32 ` Sascha Hauer
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2013-10-21 9:27 ` Sascha Hauer
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2013-10-22 9:19 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Mark Brown
2013-10-22 9:19 ` Mark Brown
2013-10-21 20:09 ` Stephen Warren
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2013-10-21 23:18 ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-21 23:18 ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24 1:14 ` Rob Clark
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2013-10-24 7:28 ` Sascha Hauer
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2013-10-24 21:21 ` Rob Clark
2013-10-25 9:24 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-25 9:24 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 12:45 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-18 12:45 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-18 15:37 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 15:37 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 16:11 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-18 16:11 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-18 16:18 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 16:18 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 18:43 ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 18:43 ` Mark Brown
2013-11-19 13:54 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-19 13:54 ` Grant Likely
2013-10-21 10:04 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 10:04 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 10:57 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-21 10:57 ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-21 10:00 ` Laurent Pinchart
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2013-10-21 11:18 ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
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2013-10-21 20:19 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-21 20:19 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-21 22:51 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Guenter Roeck
2013-10-21 22:51 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 10:27 ` James Hogan
2013-10-22 10:27 ` James Hogan
2013-10-22 16:31 ` Jonathan Cameron
2013-10-22 16:31 ` Jonathan Cameron
2013-10-22 16:49 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 16:49 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 20:35 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 20:35 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 21:10 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 21:10 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-23 7:57 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 7:57 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 16:01 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-23 16:01 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-23 21:07 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 21:07 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 15:18 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-24 15:18 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-11-01 10:36 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-01 10:36 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-01 13:30 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-11-01 13:30 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 20:48 ` Thierry Reding
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2013-10-22 10:25 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 10:25 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 21:44 ` Matt Sealey
2013-10-22 21:44 ` Matt Sealey
2013-10-23 11:41 ` Peter Maydell
2013-10-23 11:41 ` Peter Maydell
2013-10-23 23:02 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Rob Herring
2013-10-23 23:02 ` Rob Herring
2013-11-18 12:26 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 12:26 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 13:40 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-18 13:40 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-18 13:57 ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 13:57 ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 15:29 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 15:29 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 15:50 ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 15:50 ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 16:06 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 16:06 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 17:16 ` Stephen Warren
2013-11-18 17:16 ` Stephen Warren
2013-11-19 9:35 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-19 9:35 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-19 17:27 ` Stephen Warren
2013-11-19 17:27 ` Stephen Warren
2013-11-20 13:29 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-20 13:29 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 18:35 ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 18:35 ` Mark Brown
2013-11-19 9:11 ` Thierry Reding
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