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From: swarren@wwwdotorg.org (Stephen Warren)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: ARM topic: Is DT on ARM the solution, or is there something better?
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 21:09:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <526589FC.9050805@wwwdotorg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131021095757.GY25034@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>

On 10/21/2013 10:57 AM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 11:27:30AM +0200, Sascha Hauer wrote:
>> If you have a better vision how imx-drm can be implemented without
>> getting crazy I'd love to hear about it. Please also think about the two
>> IPUs the i.MX6 has, the single one on i.MX5, parallel displays, HDMI
>> displays, LVDS displays, VGA encoder on i.MX53, external I2C slave
>> encoders,...
> 
> Well, the multi-driver solution is just too fragile: the problem
> with it is you can never be sure when all the drivers have definitely
> finished initialising.  This problem is made much worse should one of
> them use deferred probing.

ASoC has a very similar structure; e.g. an I2S controller and DMA
controller within the SoC, an external audio CODEC, and an I2C (or SPI?)
controller to communicate with the CODEC, all make up a "sound card".
ASoC solves this by having a "sound card" device to represent the
aggregation. This translates into a DT node for the "sound card". That
node is slightly virtual in that in some ways it doesn't really
represent specific HW on the board. Yet, in other ways it really does;
at the very least it represents the PCB wiring between all those
different components that it aggregates and the intent of the existence
of all those components in HW to create a sound output feature. Perhaps
something similar can be done for DRM?

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Subject: Re: ARM topic: Is DT on ARM the solution, or is there something better?
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 21:09:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <526589FC.9050805@wwwdotorg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131021095757.GY25034-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>

On 10/21/2013 10:57 AM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 11:27:30AM +0200, Sascha Hauer wrote:
>> If you have a better vision how imx-drm can be implemented without
>> getting crazy I'd love to hear about it. Please also think about the two
>> IPUs the i.MX6 has, the single one on i.MX5, parallel displays, HDMI
>> displays, LVDS displays, VGA encoder on i.MX53, external I2C slave
>> encoders,...
> 
> Well, the multi-driver solution is just too fragile: the problem
> with it is you can never be sure when all the drivers have definitely
> finished initialising.  This problem is made much worse should one of
> them use deferred probing.

ASoC has a very similar structure; e.g. an I2S controller and DMA
controller within the SoC, an external audio CODEC, and an I2C (or SPI?)
controller to communicate with the CODEC, all make up a "sound card".
ASoC solves this by having a "sound card" device to represent the
aggregation. This translates into a DT node for the "sound card". That
node is slightly virtual in that in some ways it doesn't really
represent specific HW on the board. Yet, in other ways it really does;
at the very least it represents the PCB wiring between all those
different components that it aggregates and the intent of the existence
of all those components in HW to create a sound output feature. Perhaps
something similar can be done for DRM?
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2013-10-20 21:26 ARM topic: Is DT on ARM the solution, or is there something better? Stephen Warren
2013-10-20 21:26 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-20 22:08 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Mark Brown
2013-10-20 22:08   ` Mark Brown
2013-10-20 22:21   ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-20 22:21     ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-21  1:00     ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-21  1:00       ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-21  9:15       ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21  9:15         ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 14:57         ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-21 14:57           ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-21 17:07         ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-21 17:07           ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-21 20:24           ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-21 20:24             ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-22  9:24           ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22  9:24             ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 17:30             ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 17:30               ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 19:06               ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 19:06                 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 17:22           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-22 17:22             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-21 20:29       ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-21 20:29         ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-21 20:40         ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-21 20:40           ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-22  9:39           ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22  9:39             ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 15:04             ` Matt Porter
2013-10-22 15:04               ` Matt Porter
2013-10-22 17:13               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-22 17:13                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-22 17:49                 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 17:49                   ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-23  8:06                 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23  8:06                   ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23  9:49                   ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23  9:49                     ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 17:16                     ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 17:16                       ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 17:25                       ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 17:25                         ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 18:05                         ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:05                           ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:57                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-23 18:57                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-23 20:12                           ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 20:12                             ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 17:55                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-23 17:55                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-23 18:13                         ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:13                           ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 20:35                           ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 20:35                             ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 17:29                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-23 17:29                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-23 17:45                     ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 17:45                       ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:46                       ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-23 18:46                         ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-23 18:51                         ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:51                           ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 19:12                           ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-23 19:12                             ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24  9:52                         ` Grant Likely
2013-10-24  9:52                           ` Grant Likely
2013-10-24 11:33                           ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 11:33                             ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 11:47                             ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 11:47                               ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 12:13                               ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 12:13                                 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 12:22                                 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 12:22                                   ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 12:22                                 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 12:22                                   ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 13:05                                   ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 13:05                                     ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 13:14                                     ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 13:14                                       ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 13:46                                       ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 13:46                                         ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 19:52                                         ` Matt Porter
2013-10-24 19:52                                           ` Matt Porter
2013-10-24 20:11                                       ` Matt Sealey
2013-10-24 20:11                                         ` Matt Sealey
2013-10-25  9:00                                 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-25  9:00                                   ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-24 12:23                               ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 12:23                                 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 12:29                                 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 12:29                                   ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 13:00                                 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 13:00                                   ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 13:10                                   ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 13:10                                     ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 13:30                                     ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 13:30                                       ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 14:05                                       ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 14:05                                         ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 14:19                                         ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:19                                           ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:30                                           ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 14:30                                             ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 14:38                                             ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:38                                               ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 16:39                                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 16:39                                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 16:45                                               ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 16:45                                                 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 17:08                                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 17:08                                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 18:15                                                 ` jonsmirl at gmail.com
2013-10-24 18:15                                                   ` jonsmirl-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w
2013-10-24 14:32                                           ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24 14:32                                             ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24 14:47                                             ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:47                                               ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 15:37                                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 15:37                                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 14:33                                           ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 14:33                                             ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 14:57                                             ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:57                                               ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 16:27                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 16:27                                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 14:12                                     ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:12                                       ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:22                                       ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 14:22                                         ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 14:23                                         ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:23                                           ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:38                                           ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 14:38                                             ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 14:58                                             ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:58                                               ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 19:58                                         ` Matt Porter
2013-10-24 19:58                                           ` Matt Porter
2013-10-24 23:54                                       ` Grant Likely
2013-10-24 23:54                                         ` Grant Likely
2013-10-25  8:52                             ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-25  8:52                               ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-25  9:16                               ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-25  9:16                                 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 17:47                     ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 17:47                       ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 17:58                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-23 17:58                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-23 18:02                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-23 18:02                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-23 18:23                         ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:23                           ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24  8:34                           ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24  8:34                             ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 15:00                             ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24 15:00                               ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24 19:46                               ` Matt Porter
2013-10-24 19:46                                 ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 18:01                     ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-23 18:01                       ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-23 18:25                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-23 18:25                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-23 18:30                         ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:30                           ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:54                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-23 18:54                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-24  8:06                             ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24  8:06                               ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24  8:17                               ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24  8:17                                 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24  8:52                                 ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24  8:52                                   ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-23 23:29                           ` Ben Hutchings
2013-10-23 23:29                             ` Ben Hutchings
2013-10-24  7:32                             ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24  7:32                               ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24  9:35                               ` Ben Hutchings
2013-10-24  9:35                                 ` Ben Hutchings
2013-10-24 12:02                         ` Andre Heider
2013-10-24 12:02                           ` Andre Heider
2013-10-24  8:01                     ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24  8:01                       ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24  8:11                       ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24  8:11                         ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 17:42               ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-22 17:42                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-22 18:21                 ` Peter Maydell
2013-10-22 18:21                   ` Peter Maydell
2013-10-22 18:36                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-22 18:36                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-22 19:16                   ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 19:16                     ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 20:12                 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 20:12                   ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 20:41                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-22 20:41                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-22 21:39                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-22 21:39                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-23  8:50                     ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23  8:50                       ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23  9:02                     ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23  9:02                       ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 20:42                   ` Matt Porter
2013-10-22 20:42                     ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 10:04                     ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 10:04                       ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 11:48                       ` Peter Maydell
2013-10-23 11:48                         ` Peter Maydell
2013-10-23 16:29                       ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 16:29                         ` Matt Porter
2013-10-22  6:47       ` David Brown
2013-10-22  6:47         ` David Brown
2013-10-20 23:11 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-10-20 23:11   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-10-20 23:44   ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Guenter Roeck
2013-10-20 23:44     ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-20 23:51     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-10-20 23:51       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-10-21  0:13       ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-21  0:13         ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-21 20:05     ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-21 20:05       ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-22  9:45       ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22  9:45         ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21  8:32   ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-21  8:32     ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-21  8:48     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-10-21  8:48       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-10-21  9:27       ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-21  9:27         ` Sascha Hauer
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2013-10-21  9:57         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-10-21  9:57           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-10-21 10:24           ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 10:24             ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 10:30             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-10-21 10:30               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-10-21 10:41               ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 10:41                 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22  9:19             ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Mark Brown
2013-10-22  9:19               ` Mark Brown
2013-10-21 20:09           ` Stephen Warren [this message]
2013-10-21 20:09             ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-21 23:18           ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-21 23:18             ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24  1:14         ` Rob Clark
2013-10-24  1:14           ` Rob Clark
2013-10-24  7:28           ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24  7:28             ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24  9:00             ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24  9:00               ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24  9:21               ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24  9:21                 ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24 21:21             ` Rob Clark
2013-10-24 21:21               ` Rob Clark
2013-10-25  9:24               ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-25  9:24                 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 12:45               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-18 12:45                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-18 15:37                 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 15:37                   ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 16:11                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-18 16:11                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-18 16:18                     ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 16:18                       ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 18:43                     ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 18:43                       ` Mark Brown
2013-11-19 13:54                 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-19 13:54                   ` Grant Likely
2013-10-21 10:04       ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 10:04         ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 10:57       ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-21 10:57         ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-21 10:00   ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-21 10:00     ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-21 11:18   ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-10-21 11:18     ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-10-21  8:54 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21  8:54   ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 20:19   ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-21 20:19     ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-21 22:51     ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Guenter Roeck
2013-10-21 22:51       ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 10:27       ` James Hogan
2013-10-22 10:27         ` James Hogan
2013-10-22 16:31         ` Jonathan Cameron
2013-10-22 16:31           ` Jonathan Cameron
2013-10-22 16:49           ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 16:49             ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 20:35             ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 20:35               ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 21:10               ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 21:10                 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-23  7:57                 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23  7:57                   ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 16:01                   ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-23 16:01                     ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-23 21:07                     ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 21:07                       ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 15:18                       ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-24 15:18                         ` Guenter Roeck
2013-11-01 10:36                         ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-01 10:36                           ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-01 13:30                           ` Guenter Roeck
2013-11-01 13:30                             ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 20:48         ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 20:48           ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 10:25     ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 10:25       ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 21:44 ` Matt Sealey
2013-10-22 21:44   ` Matt Sealey
2013-10-23 11:41   ` Peter Maydell
2013-10-23 11:41     ` Peter Maydell
2013-10-23 23:02     ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Rob Herring
2013-10-23 23:02       ` Rob Herring
2013-11-18 12:26 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 12:26   ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 13:40   ` Grant Likely
2013-11-18 13:40     ` Grant Likely
2013-11-18 13:57     ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 13:57       ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 15:29       ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 15:29         ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 15:50         ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 15:50           ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 16:06           ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 16:06             ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 17:16             ` Stephen Warren
2013-11-18 17:16               ` Stephen Warren
2013-11-19  9:35               ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-19  9:35                 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-19 17:27                 ` Stephen Warren
2013-11-19 17:27                   ` Stephen Warren
2013-11-20 13:29                   ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-20 13:29                     ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 18:35             ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 18:35               ` Mark Brown
2013-11-19  9:11               ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-19  9:11                 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-19 10:16                 ` Mark Brown
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