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From: linux@roeck-us.net (Guenter Roeck)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] ARM topic: Is DT on ARM the solution, or is there something	better?
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 16:44:57 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52646AF9.3050309@roeck-us.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131020231134.GR25034@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>

On 10/20/2013 04:11 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 10:26:54PM +0100, Stephen Warren wrote:
>> The only thing we've really moved out of the kernel is the exact IDs of
>> which GPIOS, interrupts, I2C/SPI ports the devices are connected to; the
>> simple stuff not the hard stuff. The code hasn't really been simplified
>> by DT - if anything, it's more complicated since we now have to parse
>> those values from DT rather than putting them into simple data-structures.
>
> Here's my random thoughts this evening on DT, orientated mostly on a
> problem area I've been paying attention to recently.
>
> In some ways, DT has made things much harder.  I don't know whether

On the other side, DT has made some things much simpler.

Problem case: Chip A's interrupt pin is connected to gpio pin of chip B.
Chip B's interrupt pin is connected to a gpio pin on chip C. Chip C's
interrupt pin is connected to the interrupt controller. Chips B and C
are multi-function FPGAs. Exact gpio pins used vary from board to board.

With DT, this relationship is easy to describe, and none of the chip drivers
really needs to know what is connected to what. Without DT, it would be
much more complex.

Guenter

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Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] ARM topic: Is DT on ARM the solution, or is there something	better?
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 16:44:57 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52646AF9.3050309@roeck-us.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131020231134.GR25034-l+eeeJia6m9vn6HldHNs0ANdhmdF6hFW@public.gmane.org>

On 10/20/2013 04:11 PM, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 10:26:54PM +0100, Stephen Warren wrote:
>> The only thing we've really moved out of the kernel is the exact IDs of
>> which GPIOS, interrupts, I2C/SPI ports the devices are connected to; the
>> simple stuff not the hard stuff. The code hasn't really been simplified
>> by DT - if anything, it's more complicated since we now have to parse
>> those values from DT rather than putting them into simple data-structures.
>
> Here's my random thoughts this evening on DT, orientated mostly on a
> problem area I've been paying attention to recently.
>
> In some ways, DT has made things much harder.  I don't know whether

On the other side, DT has made some things much simpler.

Problem case: Chip A's interrupt pin is connected to gpio pin of chip B.
Chip B's interrupt pin is connected to a gpio pin on chip C. Chip C's
interrupt pin is connected to the interrupt controller. Chips B and C
are multi-function FPGAs. Exact gpio pins used vary from board to board.

With DT, this relationship is easy to describe, and none of the chip drivers
really needs to know what is connected to what. Without DT, it would be
much more complex.

Guenter

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2013-10-20 21:26 ARM topic: Is DT on ARM the solution, or is there something better? Stephen Warren
2013-10-20 21:26 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-20 22:08 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Mark Brown
2013-10-20 22:08   ` Mark Brown
2013-10-20 22:21   ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-20 22:21     ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-21  1:00     ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-21  1:00       ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-21  9:15       ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21  9:15         ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 14:57         ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-21 14:57           ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-21 17:07         ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-21 17:07           ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-21 20:24           ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-21 20:24             ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-22  9:24           ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22  9:24             ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 17:30             ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 17:30               ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 19:06               ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 19:06                 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 17:22           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-22 17:22             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-21 20:29       ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-21 20:29         ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-21 20:40         ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-21 20:40           ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-22  9:39           ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22  9:39             ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 15:04             ` Matt Porter
2013-10-22 15:04               ` Matt Porter
2013-10-22 17:13               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-22 17:13                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-22 17:49                 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 17:49                   ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-23  8:06                 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23  8:06                   ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23  9:49                   ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23  9:49                     ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 17:16                     ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 17:16                       ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 17:25                       ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 17:25                         ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 18:05                         ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:05                           ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:57                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-23 18:57                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-23 20:12                           ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 20:12                             ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 17:55                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-23 17:55                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-23 18:13                         ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:13                           ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 20:35                           ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 20:35                             ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 17:29                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-23 17:29                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-23 17:45                     ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 17:45                       ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:46                       ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-23 18:46                         ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-23 18:51                         ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:51                           ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 19:12                           ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-23 19:12                             ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24  9:52                         ` Grant Likely
2013-10-24  9:52                           ` Grant Likely
2013-10-24 11:33                           ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 11:33                             ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 11:47                             ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 11:47                               ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 12:13                               ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 12:13                                 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 12:22                                 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 12:22                                   ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 12:22                                 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 12:22                                   ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 13:05                                   ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 13:05                                     ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 13:14                                     ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 13:14                                       ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 13:46                                       ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 13:46                                         ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 19:52                                         ` Matt Porter
2013-10-24 19:52                                           ` Matt Porter
2013-10-24 20:11                                       ` Matt Sealey
2013-10-24 20:11                                         ` Matt Sealey
2013-10-25  9:00                                 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-25  9:00                                   ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-24 12:23                               ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 12:23                                 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 12:29                                 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 12:29                                   ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 13:00                                 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 13:00                                   ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 13:10                                   ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 13:10                                     ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 13:30                                     ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 13:30                                       ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 14:05                                       ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 14:05                                         ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 14:19                                         ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:19                                           ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:30                                           ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 14:30                                             ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 14:38                                             ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:38                                               ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 16:39                                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 16:39                                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 16:45                                               ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 16:45                                                 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 17:08                                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 17:08                                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 18:15                                                 ` jonsmirl at gmail.com
2013-10-24 18:15                                                   ` jonsmirl-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w
2013-10-24 14:32                                           ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24 14:32                                             ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24 14:47                                             ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:47                                               ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 15:37                                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 15:37                                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 14:33                                           ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 14:33                                             ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 14:57                                             ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:57                                               ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 16:27                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 16:27                                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 14:12                                     ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:12                                       ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:22                                       ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 14:22                                         ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 14:23                                         ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:23                                           ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:38                                           ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 14:38                                             ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 14:58                                             ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:58                                               ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 19:58                                         ` Matt Porter
2013-10-24 19:58                                           ` Matt Porter
2013-10-24 23:54                                       ` Grant Likely
2013-10-24 23:54                                         ` Grant Likely
2013-10-25  8:52                             ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-25  8:52                               ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-25  9:16                               ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-25  9:16                                 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 17:47                     ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 17:47                       ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 17:58                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-23 17:58                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-23 18:02                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-23 18:02                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-23 18:23                         ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:23                           ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24  8:34                           ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24  8:34                             ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 15:00                             ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24 15:00                               ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24 19:46                               ` Matt Porter
2013-10-24 19:46                                 ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 18:01                     ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-23 18:01                       ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-23 18:25                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-23 18:25                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-23 18:30                         ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:30                           ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:54                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-23 18:54                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-24  8:06                             ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24  8:06                               ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24  8:17                               ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24  8:17                                 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24  8:52                                 ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24  8:52                                   ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-23 23:29                           ` Ben Hutchings
2013-10-23 23:29                             ` Ben Hutchings
2013-10-24  7:32                             ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24  7:32                               ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24  9:35                               ` Ben Hutchings
2013-10-24  9:35                                 ` Ben Hutchings
2013-10-24 12:02                         ` Andre Heider
2013-10-24 12:02                           ` Andre Heider
2013-10-24  8:01                     ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24  8:01                       ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24  8:11                       ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24  8:11                         ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 17:42               ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-22 17:42                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-22 18:21                 ` Peter Maydell
2013-10-22 18:21                   ` Peter Maydell
2013-10-22 18:36                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-22 18:36                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-22 19:16                   ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 19:16                     ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 20:12                 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 20:12                   ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 20:41                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-22 20:41                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-22 21:39                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-22 21:39                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-23  8:50                     ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23  8:50                       ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23  9:02                     ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23  9:02                       ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 20:42                   ` Matt Porter
2013-10-22 20:42                     ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 10:04                     ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 10:04                       ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 11:48                       ` Peter Maydell
2013-10-23 11:48                         ` Peter Maydell
2013-10-23 16:29                       ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 16:29                         ` Matt Porter
2013-10-22  6:47       ` David Brown
2013-10-22  6:47         ` David Brown
2013-10-20 23:11 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-10-20 23:11   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-10-20 23:44   ` Guenter Roeck [this message]
2013-10-20 23:44     ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Guenter Roeck
2013-10-20 23:51     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-10-20 23:51       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-10-21  0:13       ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-21  0:13         ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-21 20:05     ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-21 20:05       ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-22  9:45       ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22  9:45         ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21  8:32   ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-21  8:32     ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-21  8:48     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-10-21  8:48       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-10-21  9:27       ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-21  9:27         ` Sascha Hauer
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2013-10-21  9:57         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-10-21  9:57           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-10-21 10:24           ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 10:24             ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 10:30             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-10-21 10:30               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-10-21 10:41               ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 10:41                 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22  9:19             ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Mark Brown
2013-10-22  9:19               ` Mark Brown
2013-10-21 20:09           ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-21 20:09             ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-21 23:18           ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-21 23:18             ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24  1:14         ` Rob Clark
2013-10-24  1:14           ` Rob Clark
2013-10-24  7:28           ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24  7:28             ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24  9:00             ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24  9:00               ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24  9:21               ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24  9:21                 ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24 21:21             ` Rob Clark
2013-10-24 21:21               ` Rob Clark
2013-10-25  9:24               ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-25  9:24                 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 12:45               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-18 12:45                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-18 15:37                 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 15:37                   ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 16:11                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-18 16:11                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-18 16:18                     ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 16:18                       ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 18:43                     ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 18:43                       ` Mark Brown
2013-11-19 13:54                 ` Grant Likely
2013-11-19 13:54                   ` Grant Likely
2013-10-21 10:04       ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 10:04         ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 10:57       ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-21 10:57         ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-21 10:00   ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-21 10:00     ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-21 11:18   ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-10-21 11:18     ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-10-21  8:54 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21  8:54   ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 20:19   ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-21 20:19     ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-21 22:51     ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Guenter Roeck
2013-10-21 22:51       ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 10:27       ` James Hogan
2013-10-22 10:27         ` James Hogan
2013-10-22 16:31         ` Jonathan Cameron
2013-10-22 16:31           ` Jonathan Cameron
2013-10-22 16:49           ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 16:49             ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 20:35             ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 20:35               ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 21:10               ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 21:10                 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-23  7:57                 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23  7:57                   ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 16:01                   ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-23 16:01                     ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-23 21:07                     ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 21:07                       ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 15:18                       ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-24 15:18                         ` Guenter Roeck
2013-11-01 10:36                         ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-01 10:36                           ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-01 13:30                           ` Guenter Roeck
2013-11-01 13:30                             ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 20:48         ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 20:48           ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 10:25     ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 10:25       ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 21:44 ` Matt Sealey
2013-10-22 21:44   ` Matt Sealey
2013-10-23 11:41   ` Peter Maydell
2013-10-23 11:41     ` Peter Maydell
2013-10-23 23:02     ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Rob Herring
2013-10-23 23:02       ` Rob Herring
2013-11-18 12:26 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 12:26   ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 13:40   ` Grant Likely
2013-11-18 13:40     ` Grant Likely
2013-11-18 13:57     ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 13:57       ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 15:29       ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 15:29         ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 15:50         ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 15:50           ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 16:06           ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 16:06             ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 17:16             ` Stephen Warren
2013-11-18 17:16               ` Stephen Warren
2013-11-19  9:35               ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-19  9:35                 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-19 17:27                 ` Stephen Warren
2013-11-19 17:27                   ` Stephen Warren
2013-11-20 13:29                   ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-20 13:29                     ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 18:35             ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 18:35               ` Mark Brown
2013-11-19  9:11               ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-19  9:11                 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-19 10:16                 ` Mark Brown
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