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From: will.deacon@arm.com (Will Deacon)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v2] clocksource: arch_timer: Allow the device tree to specify the physical timer
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 17:47:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140911164710.GW6158@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1410452204-7277-1-git-send-email-dianders@chromium.org>

On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 05:16:44PM +0100, Doug Anderson wrote:
> Some 32-bit (ARMv7) systems are architected like this:
> 
> * The firmware doesn't know and doesn't care about hypervisor mode and
>   we don't want to add the complexity of hypervisor there.
> 
> * The firmware isn't involved in SMP bringup or resume.
> 
> * The ARCH timer come up with an uninitialized offset between the
>   virtual and physical counters.  Each core gets a different random
>   offset.
> 
> On systems like the above, it doesn't make sense to use the virtual
> counter.  There's nobody managing the offset and each time a core goes
> down and comes back up it will get reinitialized to some other random
> value.

You probably need to rephrase this slightly, as there *is* still a
requirement on the hypervisor/firmware (actually, two!). See below.

> Let's add a property to the device tree to say that we shouldn't use
> the virtual timer.  Firmware could potentially remove this property
> before passing the device tree to the kernel if it really wants the
> kernel to use a virtual timer.
> 
> Note that it's been said that ARM64 (ARMv8) systems the firmware and
> kernel really can't be architected as described above.  That means
> using the physical timer like this really only makes sense for ARMv7
> systems.

I'd go further: this only makes sense if you're booting in secure SVC
mode.

> In order for this patch to do anything useful, we also need Sonny's
> patch at <https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/4790921/>
> 
> Signed-off-by: Doug Anderson <dianders@chromium.org>
> Signed-off-by: Sonny Rao <sonnyrao@chromium.org>
> ---
> Changes in v2:
> - Add "#ifdef CONFIG_ARM" as per Will Deacon
> 
>  Documentation/devicetree/bindings/arm/arch_timer.txt | 6 ++++++
>  drivers/clocksource/arm_arch_timer.c                 | 5 +++++
>  2 files changed, 11 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/arm/arch_timer.txt b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/arm/arch_timer.txt
> index 37b2caf..876d32b 100644
> --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/arm/arch_timer.txt
> +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/arm/arch_timer.txt
> @@ -22,6 +22,12 @@ to deliver its interrupts via SPIs.
>  - always-on : a boolean property. If present, the timer is powered through an
>    always-on power domain, therefore it never loses context.
>  
> +** Optional properties:
> +
> +- arm,use-physical-timer : Don't ever use the virtual timer, just use the
> +  physical one.  Not supported for ARM64.

I'd say `Only supported for ARM' to better match what we've done. Probably
also worth mentioning that this relies on the hypervisor/firmware having set
CNTHCTL.PL1PCEN and CNTHCTL.EL1PCTEN (but assumedly made a mess of CNTVOFF
;) if you want to boot on the non-secure side (e.g. as a guest).

Will

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From: Will Deacon <will.deacon-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
To: Doug Anderson <dianders-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "olof-nZhT3qVonbNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org"
	<olof-nZhT3qVonbNeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>,
	Sonny Rao <sonnyrao-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <Catalin.Marinas-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	Mark Rutland <Mark.Rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	Stephen Boyd <sboyd-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Marc Zyngier <Marc.Zyngier-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	Sudeep Holla <Sudeep.Holla-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	Christopher Covington
	<cov-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Lorenzo Pieralisi
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	Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Daniel Lezcano
	<daniel.lezcano-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Nathan Lynch
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	"linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org"
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	<robh+dt-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Pawel Moll <Pawel.Moll-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	"ijc+devicetree-KcIKpvwj1kUDXYZnReoRVg@public.gmane.org"
	<ijc+devicetree-KcIKpvwj1kUDXYZnReoRVg@public.gmane.org>,
	"galak-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org"
	<galak-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org>,
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	<devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] clocksource: arch_timer: Allow the device tree to specify the physical timer
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 17:47:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140911164710.GW6158@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1410452204-7277-1-git-send-email-dianders-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>

On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 05:16:44PM +0100, Doug Anderson wrote:
> Some 32-bit (ARMv7) systems are architected like this:
> 
> * The firmware doesn't know and doesn't care about hypervisor mode and
>   we don't want to add the complexity of hypervisor there.
> 
> * The firmware isn't involved in SMP bringup or resume.
> 
> * The ARCH timer come up with an uninitialized offset between the
>   virtual and physical counters.  Each core gets a different random
>   offset.
> 
> On systems like the above, it doesn't make sense to use the virtual
> counter.  There's nobody managing the offset and each time a core goes
> down and comes back up it will get reinitialized to some other random
> value.

You probably need to rephrase this slightly, as there *is* still a
requirement on the hypervisor/firmware (actually, two!). See below.

> Let's add a property to the device tree to say that we shouldn't use
> the virtual timer.  Firmware could potentially remove this property
> before passing the device tree to the kernel if it really wants the
> kernel to use a virtual timer.
> 
> Note that it's been said that ARM64 (ARMv8) systems the firmware and
> kernel really can't be architected as described above.  That means
> using the physical timer like this really only makes sense for ARMv7
> systems.

I'd go further: this only makes sense if you're booting in secure SVC
mode.

> In order for this patch to do anything useful, we also need Sonny's
> patch at <https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/4790921/>
> 
> Signed-off-by: Doug Anderson <dianders-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
> Signed-off-by: Sonny Rao <sonnyrao-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
> ---
> Changes in v2:
> - Add "#ifdef CONFIG_ARM" as per Will Deacon
> 
>  Documentation/devicetree/bindings/arm/arch_timer.txt | 6 ++++++
>  drivers/clocksource/arm_arch_timer.c                 | 5 +++++
>  2 files changed, 11 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/arm/arch_timer.txt b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/arm/arch_timer.txt
> index 37b2caf..876d32b 100644
> --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/arm/arch_timer.txt
> +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/arm/arch_timer.txt
> @@ -22,6 +22,12 @@ to deliver its interrupts via SPIs.
>  - always-on : a boolean property. If present, the timer is powered through an
>    always-on power domain, therefore it never loses context.
>  
> +** Optional properties:
> +
> +- arm,use-physical-timer : Don't ever use the virtual timer, just use the
> +  physical one.  Not supported for ARM64.

I'd say `Only supported for ARM' to better match what we've done. Probably
also worth mentioning that this relies on the hypervisor/firmware having set
CNTHCTL.PL1PCEN and CNTHCTL.EL1PCTEN (but assumedly made a mess of CNTVOFF
;) if you want to boot on the non-secure side (e.g. as a guest).

Will
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From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Doug Anderson <dianders@chromium.org>
Cc: "olof@lixom.net" <olof@lixom.net>,
	Sonny Rao <sonnyrao@chromium.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <Catalin.Marinas@arm.com>,
	Mark Rutland <Mark.Rutland@arm.com>,
	Stephen Boyd <sboyd@codeaurora.org>,
	Marc Zyngier <Marc.Zyngier@arm.com>,
	Sudeep Holla <Sudeep.Holla@arm.com>,
	Christopher Covington <cov@codeaurora.org>,
	Lorenzo Pieralisi <Lorenzo.Pieralisi@arm.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org>,
	Nathan Lynch <Nathan_Lynch@mentor.com>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" 
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"robh+dt@kernel.org" <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	Pawel Moll <Pawel.Moll@arm.com>,
	"ijc+devicetree@hellion.org.uk" <ijc+devicetree@hellion.org.uk>,
	"galak@codeaurora.org" <galak@codeaurora.org>,
	"devicetree@vger.kernel.org" <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] clocksource: arch_timer: Allow the device tree to specify the physical timer
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 17:47:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140911164710.GW6158@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1410452204-7277-1-git-send-email-dianders@chromium.org>

On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 05:16:44PM +0100, Doug Anderson wrote:
> Some 32-bit (ARMv7) systems are architected like this:
> 
> * The firmware doesn't know and doesn't care about hypervisor mode and
>   we don't want to add the complexity of hypervisor there.
> 
> * The firmware isn't involved in SMP bringup or resume.
> 
> * The ARCH timer come up with an uninitialized offset between the
>   virtual and physical counters.  Each core gets a different random
>   offset.
> 
> On systems like the above, it doesn't make sense to use the virtual
> counter.  There's nobody managing the offset and each time a core goes
> down and comes back up it will get reinitialized to some other random
> value.

You probably need to rephrase this slightly, as there *is* still a
requirement on the hypervisor/firmware (actually, two!). See below.

> Let's add a property to the device tree to say that we shouldn't use
> the virtual timer.  Firmware could potentially remove this property
> before passing the device tree to the kernel if it really wants the
> kernel to use a virtual timer.
> 
> Note that it's been said that ARM64 (ARMv8) systems the firmware and
> kernel really can't be architected as described above.  That means
> using the physical timer like this really only makes sense for ARMv7
> systems.

I'd go further: this only makes sense if you're booting in secure SVC
mode.

> In order for this patch to do anything useful, we also need Sonny's
> patch at <https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/4790921/>
> 
> Signed-off-by: Doug Anderson <dianders@chromium.org>
> Signed-off-by: Sonny Rao <sonnyrao@chromium.org>
> ---
> Changes in v2:
> - Add "#ifdef CONFIG_ARM" as per Will Deacon
> 
>  Documentation/devicetree/bindings/arm/arch_timer.txt | 6 ++++++
>  drivers/clocksource/arm_arch_timer.c                 | 5 +++++
>  2 files changed, 11 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/arm/arch_timer.txt b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/arm/arch_timer.txt
> index 37b2caf..876d32b 100644
> --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/arm/arch_timer.txt
> +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/arm/arch_timer.txt
> @@ -22,6 +22,12 @@ to deliver its interrupts via SPIs.
>  - always-on : a boolean property. If present, the timer is powered through an
>    always-on power domain, therefore it never loses context.
>  
> +** Optional properties:
> +
> +- arm,use-physical-timer : Don't ever use the virtual timer, just use the
> +  physical one.  Not supported for ARM64.

I'd say `Only supported for ARM' to better match what we've done. Probably
also worth mentioning that this relies on the hypervisor/firmware having set
CNTHCTL.PL1PCEN and CNTHCTL.EL1PCTEN (but assumedly made a mess of CNTVOFF
;) if you want to boot on the non-secure side (e.g. as a guest).

Will

  reply	other threads:[~2014-09-11 16:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-11 16:16 [PATCH v2] clocksource: arch_timer: Allow the device tree to specify the physical timer Doug Anderson
2014-09-11 16:16 ` Doug Anderson
2014-09-11 16:47 ` Will Deacon [this message]
2014-09-11 16:47   ` Will Deacon
2014-09-11 16:47   ` Will Deacon
2014-09-11 16:59   ` Doug Anderson
2014-09-11 16:59     ` Doug Anderson
2014-09-11 16:59     ` Doug Anderson
2014-09-11 17:07     ` Will Deacon
2014-09-11 17:07       ` Will Deacon
2014-09-11 17:14       ` Doug Anderson
2014-09-11 17:14         ` Doug Anderson
2014-09-11 17:00   ` Marc Zyngier
2014-09-11 17:00     ` Marc Zyngier
2014-09-11 17:11     ` Doug Anderson
2014-09-11 17:11       ` Doug Anderson
2014-09-11 17:11       ` Doug Anderson
2014-09-11 17:22       ` Marc Zyngier
2014-09-11 17:22         ` Marc Zyngier
2014-09-11 17:22         ` Marc Zyngier
2014-09-11 17:29         ` Doug Anderson
2014-09-11 17:29           ` Doug Anderson
2014-09-11 17:29           ` Doug Anderson
2014-09-11 17:43           ` Marc Zyngier
2014-09-11 17:43             ` Marc Zyngier
2014-09-11 17:43             ` Marc Zyngier
2014-09-11 23:55             ` Doug Anderson
2014-09-11 23:55               ` Doug Anderson
2014-09-11 23:55               ` Doug Anderson
2014-09-11 23:56             ` Stephen Boyd
2014-09-11 23:56               ` Stephen Boyd
2014-09-11 23:56               ` Stephen Boyd
2014-09-12  0:01               ` Doug Anderson
2014-09-12  0:01                 ` Doug Anderson
2014-09-12  0:01                 ` Doug Anderson
2014-09-12 10:20                 ` Marc Zyngier
2014-09-12 10:20                   ` Marc Zyngier
2014-09-12  0:14               ` Sonny Rao
2014-09-12  1:17                 ` Stephen Boyd
2014-09-12  3:25                   ` Sonny Rao
2014-09-12  3:25                     ` Sonny Rao
2014-09-12  3:25                     ` Sonny Rao
2014-09-12 11:43             ` Christopher Covington
2014-09-12 11:43               ` Christopher Covington
2014-09-12 11:43               ` Christopher Covington
2014-09-12 12:14               ` Marc Zyngier
2014-09-12 12:14                 ` Marc Zyngier
2014-09-12 18:59                 ` Stephen Boyd
2014-09-12 18:59                   ` Stephen Boyd
2014-09-12 18:59                   ` Stephen Boyd
2014-09-15 11:10                   ` Catalin Marinas
2014-09-15 11:10                     ` Catalin Marinas
2014-09-15 11:10                     ` Catalin Marinas
2014-09-15 20:33                     ` Stephen Boyd
2014-09-15 20:33                       ` Stephen Boyd
2014-09-15 21:47                       ` Sonny Rao
2014-09-15 21:47                         ` Sonny Rao
2014-09-15 21:47                         ` Sonny Rao
2014-09-15 21:49                         ` Stephen Boyd
2014-09-15 21:49                           ` Stephen Boyd
2014-09-15 21:49                           ` Stephen Boyd
2014-09-15 21:52                           ` Sonny Rao
2014-09-15 21:52                             ` Sonny Rao
2014-09-15 21:52                             ` Sonny Rao
2014-09-15 22:04                             ` Sonny Rao
2014-09-15 22:04                               ` Sonny Rao
2014-09-15 22:04                               ` Sonny Rao
2014-09-15 22:51                               ` Christopher Covington
2014-09-15 22:51                                 ` Christopher Covington
2014-09-15 22:51                                 ` Christopher Covington
2014-09-16  0:24                                 ` Sonny Rao
2014-09-16  0:24                                   ` Sonny Rao
2014-09-16  0:24                                   ` Sonny Rao
2014-09-16 10:42                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2014-09-16 10:42                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2014-09-16 10:42                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2014-09-16 11:22                                   ` Christopher Covington
2014-09-16 11:22                                     ` Christopher Covington
2014-09-16 11:22                                     ` Christopher Covington
2014-09-16 11:03                       ` Catalin Marinas
2014-09-16 11:03                         ` Catalin Marinas
2014-09-16 11:03                         ` Catalin Marinas

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