From: John Hubbard <john.hubbard@gmail.com>
To: Tuomo Valkonen <tuomov@iki.fi>
Cc: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: The ext3 way of journalling
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:39:23 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <478BE49B.3000702@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080114071555.GA6475@jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi>
Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
> On 2008-01-13 18:11 -0500, Theodore Tso wrote:
>> It's much more likely that this early in your boot cycle, your clock is
>> sometimes incorrect.
>
> I doubt it. I get this nearly _always_ when the system crashes, which
> accounts for the vast majority of the times I boot it. (I wish swsusp
> didn't suck so much..)
>
>> Is the "9192" number roughly constant, or is it always changing?
>
> No. That's the number I got last time, but typically I've got
> something in the 3xxxx range.
>
>> If your machine is on the network, then the "ntpdate"
>> program could be setting your time so that it looks correct, but
>> that's after e2fsck is run.
>
> ntpdate isn't run by any of the init scripts. ntpd is, but like I
> already mentioned, I doubt it would correct vastly incorrect time,
> not even being able to track and correct when it advances fast.
>
ntpd will allow an initial correction that is arbitrarily large, if run
with the -g option. This is a commonly used option. I see it is running
on my stock Fedora Core 8, for example. So there is often no need to run
ntpdate.
Also, ntpd keeps track of how fast your local clock tends to drift, and
attempts to compensate. So, even if the local clock runs quite fast or
slow, you'll normally get good results. The exception would be if you
clock's drift rate jumps around; for example: fast today, slow tomorrow.
On most systems, ntpd will also copy the current time back to the CMOS,
periodically, and during an orderly shutdown.
Hope that adds some clarity.
thanks,
John Hubbard
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-01-14 22:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-01-08 16:07 The ext3 way of journalling Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-08 16:35 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-01-08 16:52 ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-08 17:18 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-01-08 17:48 ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-08 18:20 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-01-08 18:32 ` Diego Calleja
2008-01-08 18:42 ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-08 16:39 ` John Stoffel
2008-01-08 16:59 ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-08 21:49 ` John Stoffel
2008-01-09 13:39 ` Mathieu SEGAUD
2008-01-09 14:16 ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-10 13:16 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-10 13:41 ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-12 15:06 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-12 19:24 ` Andrey Vul
2008-01-13 22:13 ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-13 22:23 ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-13 23:11 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-14 7:15 ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-14 9:42 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-01-14 9:48 ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-14 9:57 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-01-14 10:44 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-14 11:11 ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-14 11:18 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-01-14 11:27 ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-14 10:06 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-01-14 11:03 ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-14 12:46 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-01-14 16:18 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-01-14 23:13 ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2008-01-15 16:31 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-01-15 1:09 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-01-15 16:32 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-01-14 16:10 ` me
2008-01-14 16:17 ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-14 22:39 ` John Hubbard [this message]
2008-01-14 0:36 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2008-01-08 16:48 ` Andre Noll
2008-01-08 17:52 ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-08 18:07 ` Masoud Sharbiani "مسعود شربیانی"
2008-01-08 18:16 ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-08 18:22 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-08 18:11 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-01-08 18:20 ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-08 18:29 ` Andre Noll
2008-01-08 18:40 ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-08 18:47 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-08 23:06 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2008-01-09 7:56 ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-09 10:21 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2008-01-09 10:28 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2008-01-09 12:30 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-10 11:30 ` Helge Hafting
2008-01-10 14:02 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-01-10 14:41 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2008-01-09 2:05 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2008-01-08 16:53 ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-08 17:01 ` Tuomo Valkonen
2008-01-08 18:15 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-08 20:51 ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-08 21:03 ` Ondrej Zary
2008-01-08 21:57 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-09 3:21 ` Kyle Moffett
2008-01-09 7:55 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-01-09 12:49 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-09 8:00 ` BuraphaLinux Server
2008-01-09 8:21 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-01-09 9:54 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-01-09 12:25 ` Theodore Tso
2008-01-09 12:44 ` Michal Schmidt
2008-01-09 13:53 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-01-09 19:47 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2008-01-08 21:32 ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-08 4:16 ` Rogelio Serrano
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2008-01-08 22:24 ` Bodo Eggert
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2008-01-11 16:22 ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-11 18:39 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-01-12 1:41 ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-12 7:10 ` TimC
2008-01-12 10:08 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
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