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From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
	Jan Beulich <jbeulich@novell.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: Question about x86/mm/gup.c's use of disabled interrupts
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:23:38 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49C1665A.4080707@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49C16411.2040705@redhat.com>

Avi Kivity wrote:
> Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
>> Disabling the interrupt will prevent the tlb flush IPI from coming in 
>> and flushing this cpu's tlb, but I don't see how it will prevent some 
>> other cpu from actually updating the pte in the pagetable, which is 
>> what we're concerned about here.  
>
> The thread that cleared the pte holds the pte lock and is now waiting 
> for the IPI.  The thread that wants to update the pte will wait for 
> the pte lock, thus also waits on the IPI and gup_fast()'s 
> local_irq_enable().  I think.

But hasn't it already done the pte update at that point?

(I think this conversation really is moot because the kernel never does 
P->P pte updates any more; its always P->N->P.)

>> Is this the only reason to disable interrupts?  
>
> Another comment says it also prevents pagetable teardown.

We could take a reference to the mm to get the same effect, no?

>> Also, assuming that disabling the interrupt is enough to get the 
>> guarantees we need here, there's a Xen problem because we don't use 
>> IPIs for cross-cpu tlb flushes (well, it happens within Xen).  I'll 
>> have to think a bit about how to deal with that, but I'm thinking 
>> that we could add a per-cpu "tlb flushes blocked" flag, and maintain 
>> some kind of per-cpu deferred tlb flush count so we can get around to 
>> doing the flush eventually.
>
> I was thinking about adding a hypercall for cross-vcpu tlb flushes.  
> Guess I'll wait for you to clear up all the issues first.

Typical...

    J


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From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
	Jan Beulich <jbeulich@novell.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: Question about x86/mm/gup.c's use of disabled interrupts
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:23:38 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49C1665A.4080707@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49C16411.2040705@redhat.com>

Avi Kivity wrote:
> Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
>> Disabling the interrupt will prevent the tlb flush IPI from coming in 
>> and flushing this cpu's tlb, but I don't see how it will prevent some 
>> other cpu from actually updating the pte in the pagetable, which is 
>> what we're concerned about here.  
>
> The thread that cleared the pte holds the pte lock and is now waiting 
> for the IPI.  The thread that wants to update the pte will wait for 
> the pte lock, thus also waits on the IPI and gup_fast()'s 
> local_irq_enable().  I think.

But hasn't it already done the pte update at that point?

(I think this conversation really is moot because the kernel never does 
P->P pte updates any more; its always P->N->P.)

>> Is this the only reason to disable interrupts?  
>
> Another comment says it also prevents pagetable teardown.

We could take a reference to the mm to get the same effect, no?

>> Also, assuming that disabling the interrupt is enough to get the 
>> guarantees we need here, there's a Xen problem because we don't use 
>> IPIs for cross-cpu tlb flushes (well, it happens within Xen).  I'll 
>> have to think a bit about how to deal with that, but I'm thinking 
>> that we could add a per-cpu "tlb flushes blocked" flag, and maintain 
>> some kind of per-cpu deferred tlb flush count so we can get around to 
>> doing the flush eventually.
>
> I was thinking about adding a hypercall for cross-vcpu tlb flushes.  
> Guess I'll wait for you to clear up all the issues first.

Typical...

    J

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From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: Question about x86/mm/gup.c's use of disabled interrupts
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:23:38 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49C1665A.4080707@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49C16411.2040705@redhat.com>

Avi Kivity wrote:
> Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
>> Disabling the interrupt will prevent the tlb flush IPI from coming in 
>> and flushing this cpu's tlb, but I don't see how it will prevent some 
>> other cpu from actually updating the pte in the pagetable, which is 
>> what we're concerned about here.  
>
> The thread that cleared the pte holds the pte lock and is now waiting 
> for the IPI.  The thread that wants to update the pte will wait for 
> the pte lock, thus also waits on the IPI and gup_fast()'s 
> local_irq_enable().  I think.

But hasn't it already done the pte update at that point?

(I think this conversation really is moot because the kernel never does 
P->P pte updates any more; its always P->N->P.)

>> Is this the only reason to disable interrupts?  
>
> Another comment says it also prevents pagetable teardown.

We could take a reference to the mm to get the same effect, no?

>> Also, assuming that disabling the interrupt is enough to get the 
>> guarantees we need here, there's a Xen problem because we don't use 
>> IPIs for cross-cpu tlb flushes (well, it happens within Xen).  I'll 
>> have to think a bit about how to deal with that, but I'm thinking 
>> that we could add a per-cpu "tlb flushes blocked" flag, and maintain 
>> some kind of per-cpu deferred tlb flush count so we can get around to 
>> doing the flush eventually.
>
> I was thinking about adding a hypercall for cross-vcpu tlb flushes.  
> Guess I'll wait for you to clear up all the issues first.

Typical...

    J

  reply	other threads:[~2009-03-18 21:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-18 19:17 Question about x86/mm/gup.c's use of disabled interrupts Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 19:17 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 19:17 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 21:13 ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 21:13   ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 21:23   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge [this message]
2009-03-18 21:23     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 21:23     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 21:40     ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 21:40       ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 22:14       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 22:14         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 22:14         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 22:41         ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 22:41           ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 22:55           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 22:55             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 23:05             ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 23:05               ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 23:05               ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 23:32               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 23:32                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-19  9:46                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-19  9:46                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-19 17:16                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-19 17:16                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-19 17:16                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-19 17:33                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-19 17:33                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03  2:41                 ` paravirtops kernel and HVM guests Nitin A Kamble
2009-04-03  3:37                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]               ` <70513aa50903181617r418ec23s744544dccfd812e8@mail.gmail.com>
2009-03-18 23:37                 ` Question about x86/mm/gup.c's use of disabled interrupts Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 23:37                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-19  1:32 ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-19  1:32   ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-19 17:31   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-19 17:31     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-20  4:40     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-03-20  4:40       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-03-20 15:38       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-20 15:38         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-20 15:57         ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-03-20 15:57           ` Paul E. McKenney

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