From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
Jan Beulich <jbeulich@novell.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Keir Fraser <keir.fraser@eu.citrix.com>
Subject: Re: Question about x86/mm/gup.c's use of disabled interrupts
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:33:37 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <49C281F1.4040005@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49C27E09.5070307@goop.org>
Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
> Avi Kivity wrote:
>>> And the hypercall could result in no Xen-level IPIs at all, so it
>>> could be very quick by comparison to an IPI-based Linux
>>> implementation, in which case the flag polling would be particularly
>>> harsh.
>>
>> Maybe we could bring these optimizations into Linux as well. The
>> only thing Xen knows that Linux doesn't is if a vcpu is not
>> scheduled; all other information is shared.
>
> I don't think there's a guarantee that just because a vcpu isn't
> running now, it won't need a tlb flush. If a pcpu does runs vcpu 1 ->
> idle -> vcpu 1, then there's no need for it to do a tlb flush, but the
> hypercall can make force a flush when it reschedules vcpu 1 (if the
> tlb hasn't already been flushed by some other means).
That's what I assumed you meant. Also, if a vcpu has a different cr3
loaded, the flush can be elided. Looks like Linux does this
(s/vcpu/process/).
> (I'm not sure to what extent Xen implements this now, but I wouldn't
> want to over-constrain it.)
Well, kvm does this.
>> The nice thing about local_irq_disable() is that it scales so well.
>
> Right. But it effectively puts the burden on the tlb-flusher to check
> the state (implicitly, by trying to send an interrupt). Putting an
> explicit poll in gets the same effect, but its pure overhead just to
> deal with the gup race.
I guess it hopes the flushes are much rarer. Certainly for threaded
databases doing O_DIRECT stuff, I'd expect lots of gupfs and no tlb flushes.
--
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function
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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
Jan Beulich <jbeulich@novell.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Keir Fraser <keir.fraser@eu.citrix.com>
Subject: Re: Question about x86/mm/gup.c's use of disabled interrupts
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:33:37 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <49C281F1.4040005@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49C27E09.5070307@goop.org>
Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
> Avi Kivity wrote:
>>> And the hypercall could result in no Xen-level IPIs at all, so it
>>> could be very quick by comparison to an IPI-based Linux
>>> implementation, in which case the flag polling would be particularly
>>> harsh.
>>
>> Maybe we could bring these optimizations into Linux as well. The
>> only thing Xen knows that Linux doesn't is if a vcpu is not
>> scheduled; all other information is shared.
>
> I don't think there's a guarantee that just because a vcpu isn't
> running now, it won't need a tlb flush. If a pcpu does runs vcpu 1 ->
> idle -> vcpu 1, then there's no need for it to do a tlb flush, but the
> hypercall can make force a flush when it reschedules vcpu 1 (if the
> tlb hasn't already been flushed by some other means).
That's what I assumed you meant. Also, if a vcpu has a different cr3
loaded, the flush can be elided. Looks like Linux does this
(s/vcpu/process/).
> (I'm not sure to what extent Xen implements this now, but I wouldn't
> want to over-constrain it.)
Well, kvm does this.
>> The nice thing about local_irq_disable() is that it scales so well.
>
> Right. But it effectively puts the burden on the tlb-flusher to check
> the state (implicitly, by trying to send an interrupt). Putting an
> explicit poll in gets the same effect, but its pure overhead just to
> deal with the gup race.
I guess it hopes the flushes are much rarer. Certainly for threaded
databases doing O_DIRECT stuff, I'd expect lots of gupfs and no tlb flushes.
--
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Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-03-18 19:17 Question about x86/mm/gup.c's use of disabled interrupts Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 19:17 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 19:17 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 21:13 ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 21:13 ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 21:23 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 21:23 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 21:23 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 21:40 ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 21:40 ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 22:14 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 22:14 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 22:14 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 22:41 ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 22:41 ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 22:55 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 22:55 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 23:05 ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 23:05 ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 23:05 ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 23:32 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 23:32 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-19 9:46 ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-19 9:46 ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-19 17:16 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-19 17:16 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-19 17:16 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-19 17:33 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2009-03-19 17:33 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 2:41 ` paravirtops kernel and HVM guests Nitin A Kamble
2009-04-03 3:37 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
[not found] ` <70513aa50903181617r418ec23s744544dccfd812e8@mail.gmail.com>
2009-03-18 23:37 ` Question about x86/mm/gup.c's use of disabled interrupts Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 23:37 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-19 1:32 ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-19 1:32 ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-19 17:31 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-19 17:31 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-20 4:40 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-03-20 4:40 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-03-20 15:38 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-20 15:38 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-20 15:57 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-03-20 15:57 ` Paul E. McKenney
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