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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
	Jan Beulich <jbeulich@novell.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: Question about x86/mm/gup.c's use of disabled interrupts
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 01:05:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49C17E22.9040807@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49C17BD8.6050609@goop.org>

Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
> Avi Kivity wrote:
>>> Hm, awkward if flush_tlb_others doesn't IPI...
>>>
>>
>> How can it avoid flushing the tlb on cpu [01]?  It's it's 
>> gup_fast()ing a pte, it may as well load it into the tlb.
>
> xen_flush_tlb_others uses a hypercall rather than an IPI, so none of 
> the logic which depends on there being an IPI will work.

Right, of course, that's what we were talking about.  I thought 
optimizations to avoid IPIs if an mm never visited a cpu.

>
>>> Simplest fix is to make gup_get_pte() a pvop, but that does seem 
>>> like putting a red flag in front of an inner-loop hotspot, or 
>>> something...
>>>
>>> The per-cpu tlb-flush exclusion flag might really be the way to go.
>>
>> I don't see how it will work, without changing Xen to look at the flag?
>>
>> local_irq_disable() is used here to lock out a remote cpu, I don't 
>> see why deferring the flush helps.
>
> Well, no, not deferring.  Making xen_flush_tlb_others() spin waiting 
> for "doing_gup" to clear on the target cpu.  Or add an explicit notion 
> of a "pte update barrier" rather than implicitly relying on the tlb 
> IPI (which is extremely convenient when available...).

Pick up a percpu flag from all cpus and spin on each?  Nasty.

You could use the irq enabled flag; it's available and what native spins 
on (but also means I'll need to add one if I implement this).

-- 
I have a truly marvellous patch that fixes the bug which this
signature is too narrow to contain.


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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
	Jan Beulich <jbeulich@novell.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: Question about x86/mm/gup.c's use of disabled interrupts
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 01:05:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49C17E22.9040807@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49C17BD8.6050609@goop.org>

Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
> Avi Kivity wrote:
>>> Hm, awkward if flush_tlb_others doesn't IPI...
>>>
>>
>> How can it avoid flushing the tlb on cpu [01]?  It's it's 
>> gup_fast()ing a pte, it may as well load it into the tlb.
>
> xen_flush_tlb_others uses a hypercall rather than an IPI, so none of 
> the logic which depends on there being an IPI will work.

Right, of course, that's what we were talking about.  I thought 
optimizations to avoid IPIs if an mm never visited a cpu.

>
>>> Simplest fix is to make gup_get_pte() a pvop, but that does seem 
>>> like putting a red flag in front of an inner-loop hotspot, or 
>>> something...
>>>
>>> The per-cpu tlb-flush exclusion flag might really be the way to go.
>>
>> I don't see how it will work, without changing Xen to look at the flag?
>>
>> local_irq_disable() is used here to lock out a remote cpu, I don't 
>> see why deferring the flush helps.
>
> Well, no, not deferring.  Making xen_flush_tlb_others() spin waiting 
> for "doing_gup" to clear on the target cpu.  Or add an explicit notion 
> of a "pte update barrier" rather than implicitly relying on the tlb 
> IPI (which is extremely convenient when available...).

Pick up a percpu flag from all cpus and spin on each?  Nasty.

You could use the irq enabled flag; it's available and what native spins 
on (but also means I'll need to add one if I implement this).

-- 
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signature is too narrow to contain.

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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: Question about x86/mm/gup.c's use of disabled interrupts
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 01:05:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49C17E22.9040807@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49C17BD8.6050609@goop.org>

Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
> Avi Kivity wrote:
>>> Hm, awkward if flush_tlb_others doesn't IPI...
>>>
>>
>> How can it avoid flushing the tlb on cpu [01]?  It's it's 
>> gup_fast()ing a pte, it may as well load it into the tlb.
>
> xen_flush_tlb_others uses a hypercall rather than an IPI, so none of 
> the logic which depends on there being an IPI will work.

Right, of course, that's what we were talking about.  I thought 
optimizations to avoid IPIs if an mm never visited a cpu.

>
>>> Simplest fix is to make gup_get_pte() a pvop, but that does seem 
>>> like putting a red flag in front of an inner-loop hotspot, or 
>>> something...
>>>
>>> The per-cpu tlb-flush exclusion flag might really be the way to go.
>>
>> I don't see how it will work, without changing Xen to look at the flag?
>>
>> local_irq_disable() is used here to lock out a remote cpu, I don't 
>> see why deferring the flush helps.
>
> Well, no, not deferring.  Making xen_flush_tlb_others() spin waiting 
> for "doing_gup" to clear on the target cpu.  Or add an explicit notion 
> of a "pte update barrier" rather than implicitly relying on the tlb 
> IPI (which is extremely convenient when available...).

Pick up a percpu flag from all cpus and spin on each?  Nasty.

You could use the irq enabled flag; it's available and what native spins 
on (but also means I'll need to add one if I implement this).

-- 
I have a truly marvellous patch that fixes the bug which this
signature is too narrow to contain.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-03-18 23:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-18 19:17 Question about x86/mm/gup.c's use of disabled interrupts Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 19:17 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 19:17 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 21:13 ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 21:13   ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 21:23   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 21:23     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 21:23     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 21:40     ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 21:40       ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 22:14       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 22:14         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 22:14         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 22:41         ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 22:41           ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 22:55           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 22:55             ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 23:05             ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2009-03-18 23:05               ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 23:05               ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 23:32               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 23:32                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-19  9:46                 ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-19  9:46                   ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-19 17:16                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-19 17:16                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-19 17:16                     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-19 17:33                     ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-19 17:33                       ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03  2:41                 ` paravirtops kernel and HVM guests Nitin A Kamble
2009-04-03  3:37                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
     [not found]               ` <70513aa50903181617r418ec23s744544dccfd812e8@mail.gmail.com>
2009-03-18 23:37                 ` Question about x86/mm/gup.c's use of disabled interrupts Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 23:37                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-19  1:32 ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-19  1:32   ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-19 17:31   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-19 17:31     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-20  4:40     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-03-20  4:40       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-03-20 15:38       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-20 15:38         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-20 15:57         ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-03-20 15:57           ` Paul E. McKenney

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