From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
Jan Beulich <jbeulich@novell.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: Question about x86/mm/gup.c's use of disabled interrupts
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:14:08 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <49C17230.20109@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49C16A48.4090303@redhat.com>
Avi Kivity wrote:
> Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
>>>> Disabling the interrupt will prevent the tlb flush IPI from coming
>>>> in and flushing this cpu's tlb, but I don't see how it will prevent
>>>> some other cpu from actually updating the pte in the pagetable,
>>>> which is what we're concerned about here.
>>>
>>> The thread that cleared the pte holds the pte lock and is now
>>> waiting for the IPI. The thread that wants to update the pte will
>>> wait for the pte lock, thus also waits on the IPI and gup_fast()'s
>>> local_irq_enable(). I think.
>>
>> But hasn't it already done the pte update at that point?
>>
>> (I think this conversation really is moot because the kernel never
>> does P->P pte updates any more; its always P->N->P.)
>
> I thought you were concerned about cpu 0 doing a gup_fast(), cpu 1
> doing P->N, and cpu 2 doing N->P. In this case cpu 2 is waiting on
> the pte lock.
The issue is that if cpu 0 is doing a gup_fast() and other cpus are
doing P->P updates, then gup_fast() can potentially get a mix of old and
new pte values - where P->P is any aggregate set of unsynchronized P->N
and N->P operations on any number of other cpus. Ah, but if every P->N
is followed by a tlb flush, then disabling interrupts will hold off any
following N->P, allowing gup_fast to get a consistent pte snapshot.
Hm, awkward if flush_tlb_others doesn't IPI...
> Won't stop munmap().
And I guess it does the tlb flush before freeing the pages, so disabling
the interrupt helps here too.
Simplest fix is to make gup_get_pte() a pvop, but that does seem like
putting a red flag in front of an inner-loop hotspot, or something...
The per-cpu tlb-flush exclusion flag might really be the way to go.
J
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From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
Jan Beulich <jbeulich@novell.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: Question about x86/mm/gup.c's use of disabled interrupts
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:14:08 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <49C17230.20109@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49C16A48.4090303@redhat.com>
Avi Kivity wrote:
> Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
>>>> Disabling the interrupt will prevent the tlb flush IPI from coming
>>>> in and flushing this cpu's tlb, but I don't see how it will prevent
>>>> some other cpu from actually updating the pte in the pagetable,
>>>> which is what we're concerned about here.
>>>
>>> The thread that cleared the pte holds the pte lock and is now
>>> waiting for the IPI. The thread that wants to update the pte will
>>> wait for the pte lock, thus also waits on the IPI and gup_fast()'s
>>> local_irq_enable(). I think.
>>
>> But hasn't it already done the pte update at that point?
>>
>> (I think this conversation really is moot because the kernel never
>> does P->P pte updates any more; its always P->N->P.)
>
> I thought you were concerned about cpu 0 doing a gup_fast(), cpu 1
> doing P->N, and cpu 2 doing N->P. In this case cpu 2 is waiting on
> the pte lock.
The issue is that if cpu 0 is doing a gup_fast() and other cpus are
doing P->P updates, then gup_fast() can potentially get a mix of old and
new pte values - where P->P is any aggregate set of unsynchronized P->N
and N->P operations on any number of other cpus. Ah, but if every P->N
is followed by a tlb flush, then disabling interrupts will hold off any
following N->P, allowing gup_fast to get a consistent pte snapshot.
Hm, awkward if flush_tlb_others doesn't IPI...
> Won't stop munmap().
And I guess it does the tlb flush before freeing the pages, so disabling
the interrupt helps here too.
Simplest fix is to make gup_get_pte() a pvop, but that does seem like
putting a red flag in front of an inner-loop hotspot, or something...
The per-cpu tlb-flush exclusion flag might really be the way to go.
J
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From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: Question about x86/mm/gup.c's use of disabled interrupts
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:14:08 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <49C17230.20109@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49C16A48.4090303@redhat.com>
Avi Kivity wrote:
> Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
>>>> Disabling the interrupt will prevent the tlb flush IPI from coming
>>>> in and flushing this cpu's tlb, but I don't see how it will prevent
>>>> some other cpu from actually updating the pte in the pagetable,
>>>> which is what we're concerned about here.
>>>
>>> The thread that cleared the pte holds the pte lock and is now
>>> waiting for the IPI. The thread that wants to update the pte will
>>> wait for the pte lock, thus also waits on the IPI and gup_fast()'s
>>> local_irq_enable(). I think.
>>
>> But hasn't it already done the pte update at that point?
>>
>> (I think this conversation really is moot because the kernel never
>> does P->P pte updates any more; its always P->N->P.)
>
> I thought you were concerned about cpu 0 doing a gup_fast(), cpu 1
> doing P->N, and cpu 2 doing N->P. In this case cpu 2 is waiting on
> the pte lock.
The issue is that if cpu 0 is doing a gup_fast() and other cpus are
doing P->P updates, then gup_fast() can potentially get a mix of old and
new pte values - where P->P is any aggregate set of unsynchronized P->N
and N->P operations on any number of other cpus. Ah, but if every P->N
is followed by a tlb flush, then disabling interrupts will hold off any
following N->P, allowing gup_fast to get a consistent pte snapshot.
Hm, awkward if flush_tlb_others doesn't IPI...
> Won't stop munmap().
And I guess it does the tlb flush before freeing the pages, so disabling
the interrupt helps here too.
Simplest fix is to make gup_get_pte() a pvop, but that does seem like
putting a red flag in front of an inner-loop hotspot, or something...
The per-cpu tlb-flush exclusion flag might really be the way to go.
J
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-03-18 22:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-03-18 19:17 Question about x86/mm/gup.c's use of disabled interrupts Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 19:17 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 19:17 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 21:13 ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 21:13 ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 21:23 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 21:23 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 21:23 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 21:40 ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 21:40 ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 22:14 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge [this message]
2009-03-18 22:14 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 22:14 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 22:41 ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 22:41 ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 22:55 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 22:55 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 23:05 ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 23:05 ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 23:05 ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-18 23:32 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 23:32 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-19 9:46 ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-19 9:46 ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-19 17:16 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-19 17:16 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-19 17:16 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-19 17:33 ` Avi Kivity
2009-03-19 17:33 ` Avi Kivity
2009-04-03 2:41 ` paravirtops kernel and HVM guests Nitin A Kamble
2009-04-03 3:37 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
[not found] ` <70513aa50903181617r418ec23s744544dccfd812e8@mail.gmail.com>
2009-03-18 23:37 ` Question about x86/mm/gup.c's use of disabled interrupts Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-18 23:37 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-19 1:32 ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-19 1:32 ` Nick Piggin
2009-03-19 17:31 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-19 17:31 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-20 4:40 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-03-20 4:40 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-03-20 15:38 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-20 15:38 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-20 15:57 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-03-20 15:57 ` Paul E. McKenney
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