From: Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>
To: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>
Cc: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
Ville Syrj?l? <syrjala@sci.fi>,
daniel.ritz@gmx.ch, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, linux-input@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [rft]power management for usbtouch
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:46:33 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200807010046.34219.oliver@neukum.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080630115953.ZZRA012@mailhub.coreip.homeip.net>
Am Montag 30 Juni 2008 18:02:44 schrieb Dmitry Torokhov:
> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 11:47:28AM -0400, Alan Stern wrote:
> > On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> >
> > > > > Forcing a disconnection during suspend might be a good idea. But if
> > > > > you do, is there any reason to consider manual suspension different
> > > > > from system sleep?
> > > >
> > > > During system sleep user space is asleep and cannot make demands
> > > > on drivers. If you force a device to sleep, the driver cannot work. Therefore
> > > > it should not be bound to such a device. It's cleaner to disconnect.
> > >
> > > I'd agree with this. Otherwise we need somehow to be able to resync
> > > the state of the device (like have LEDs and repeat rate reset,
> > > re-upload force-feedback effects, etc, etc) once device is resumed.
> > > So... what is the consensus? Do we need to worry about manual
> > > device-level suspension or it will be reworked/removed?
> >
> > My feeling is that we will leave manual suspension in the kernel. The
> > code passed to the USB driver's suspend method will be changed so that
> > the method can tell whether it is being called for a system sleep vs.
> > an autosuspend vs. a manual suspend.
> >
>
> Ok, I see... So what does a device do when it is suspended and a
> request comes in? Does it automatically resume and service the request
> (and potentially goes back to sleep)? Does it queue the request for
> later? Ignore it? Is it a system-wide policy or up to the device
> [class]?
Return an error. If you queue, how much would you queue?
There's no sane answer, so you better fail right away.
Regards
Oliver
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Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-06-26 13:57 [rft]power management for usbtouch Oliver Neukum
2008-06-26 14:45 ` Ville Syrjälä
[not found] ` <20080626144545.GF22310-ORSVBvAovxo@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-26 14:56 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200806261656.06457.oliver-GvhC2dPhHPQdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-27 8:50 ` Oliver Neukum
2008-06-27 13:17 ` Ville Syrjälä
2008-06-27 16:10 ` Ville Syrjälä
[not found] ` <20080627161036.GE19430-ORSVBvAovxo@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-27 19:07 ` Oliver Neukum
2008-06-27 20:20 ` Ville Syrjälä
[not found] ` <20080627202027.GG19430-ORSVBvAovxo@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-27 20:41 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200806272241.22513.oliver-GvhC2dPhHPQdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-27 20:51 ` Ville Syrjälä
[not found] ` <20080627205147.GI19430-ORSVBvAovxo@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-27 20:57 ` Oliver Neukum
2008-06-27 21:28 ` Ville Syrjälä
2008-06-28 10:52 ` Oliver Neukum
2008-06-28 11:22 ` Ville Syrjälä
[not found] ` <20080628112258.GK19430-ORSVBvAovxo@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-28 12:53 ` Oliver Neukum
2008-06-28 16:33 ` Alan Stern
2008-06-28 22:47 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200806290047.56736.oliver-GvhC2dPhHPQdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-30 15:29 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2008-06-30 15:47 ` Alan Stern
2008-06-30 16:02 ` Dmitry Torokhov
[not found] ` <20080630115953.ZZRA012-NG0XCrj25/nJrYCpivWRnl5pS2h4L8biXqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-30 16:16 ` Alan Stern
2008-06-30 16:30 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2008-06-30 16:58 ` Alan Stern
2008-06-30 22:46 ` Oliver Neukum [this message]
[not found] ` <200807010046.34219.oliver-GvhC2dPhHPQdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-01 7:59 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-07-01 9:08 ` Oliver Neukum
2008-07-01 12:56 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2008-07-01 15:00 ` Alan Stern
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0807011058340.2780-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-01 16:02 ` Dmitry Torokhov
[not found] ` <20080701085504.ZZRA012-NG0XCrj25/nJrYCpivWRnl5pS2h4L8biXqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-01 16:57 ` Oliver Neukum
[not found] ` <200807011857.02259.oliver-GvhC2dPhHPQdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-01 17:39 ` Ville Syrjälä
2008-07-01 19:03 ` Alan Stern
2008-06-27 13:17 ` Ville Syrjälä
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