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From: Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>
To: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>
Cc: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Ville Syrj?l? <syrjala@sci.fi>,
	daniel.ritz@gmx.ch, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
	linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, linux-input@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [rft]power management for usbtouch
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 00:46:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200807010046.34219.oliver@neukum.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080630115953.ZZRA012@mailhub.coreip.homeip.net>

Am Montag 30 Juni 2008 18:02:44 schrieb Dmitry Torokhov:
> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 11:47:28AM -0400, Alan Stern wrote:
> > On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> > 
> > > > > Forcing a disconnection during suspend might be a good idea.  But if 
> > > > > you do, is there any reason to consider manual suspension different 
> > > > > from system sleep?
> > > > 
> > > > During system sleep user space is asleep and cannot make demands
> > > > on drivers. If you force a device to sleep, the driver cannot work. Therefore
> > > > it should not be bound to such a device. It's cleaner to disconnect.
> > > 
> > > I'd agree with this. Otherwise we need somehow to be able to resync
> > > the state of the device (like have LEDs and repeat rate reset,
> > > re-upload force-feedback effects, etc, etc) once device is resumed.
> > > So... what is the consensus? Do we need to worry about manual
> > > device-level suspension or it will be reworked/removed?
> > 
> > My feeling is that we will leave manual suspension in the kernel.  The
> > code passed to the USB driver's suspend method will be changed so that
> > the method can tell whether it is being called for a system sleep vs.
> > an autosuspend vs. a manual suspend.
> > 
> 
> Ok, I see... So what does a device do when it is suspended and a
> request comes in? Does it automatically resume and service the request
> (and potentially goes back to sleep)? Does it queue the request for
> later? Ignore it? Is it a system-wide policy or up to the device
> [class]?

Return an error. If you queue, how much would you queue?
There's no sane answer, so you better fail right away.

	Regards
		Oliver

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-06-30 22:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-26 13:57 [rft]power management for usbtouch Oliver Neukum
2008-06-26 14:45 ` Ville Syrjälä
     [not found]   ` <20080626144545.GF22310-ORSVBvAovxo@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-26 14:56     ` Oliver Neukum
     [not found]       ` <200806261656.06457.oliver-GvhC2dPhHPQdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-27  8:50         ` Oliver Neukum
2008-06-27 13:17           ` Ville Syrjälä
2008-06-27 16:10           ` Ville Syrjälä
     [not found]             ` <20080627161036.GE19430-ORSVBvAovxo@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-27 19:07               ` Oliver Neukum
2008-06-27 20:20                 ` Ville Syrjälä
     [not found]                   ` <20080627202027.GG19430-ORSVBvAovxo@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-27 20:41                     ` Oliver Neukum
     [not found]                       ` <200806272241.22513.oliver-GvhC2dPhHPQdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-27 20:51                         ` Ville Syrjälä
     [not found]                           ` <20080627205147.GI19430-ORSVBvAovxo@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-27 20:57                             ` Oliver Neukum
2008-06-27 21:28                               ` Ville Syrjälä
2008-06-28 10:52                                 ` Oliver Neukum
2008-06-28 11:22                                   ` Ville Syrjälä
     [not found]                                     ` <20080628112258.GK19430-ORSVBvAovxo@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-28 12:53                                       ` Oliver Neukum
2008-06-28 16:33                                         ` Alan Stern
2008-06-28 22:47                                           ` Oliver Neukum
     [not found]                                             ` <200806290047.56736.oliver-GvhC2dPhHPQdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-30 15:29                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2008-06-30 15:47                                                 ` Alan Stern
2008-06-30 16:02                                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
     [not found]                                                     ` <20080630115953.ZZRA012-NG0XCrj25/nJrYCpivWRnl5pS2h4L8biXqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-30 16:16                                                       ` Alan Stern
2008-06-30 16:30                                                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2008-06-30 16:58                                                           ` Alan Stern
2008-06-30 22:46                                                     ` Oliver Neukum [this message]
     [not found]                                                       ` <200807010046.34219.oliver-GvhC2dPhHPQdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-01  7:59                                                         ` Jiri Kosina
2008-07-01  9:08                                                           ` Oliver Neukum
2008-07-01 12:56                                                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2008-07-01 15:00                                                               ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                                                                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0807011058340.2780-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-01 16:02                                                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
     [not found]                                                               ` <20080701085504.ZZRA012-NG0XCrj25/nJrYCpivWRnl5pS2h4L8biXqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-01 16:57                                                                 ` Oliver Neukum
     [not found]                                                                   ` <200807011857.02259.oliver-GvhC2dPhHPQdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-01 17:39                                                                     ` Ville Syrjälä
2008-07-01 19:03                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2008-06-27 13:17       ` Ville Syrjälä

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