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From: Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>
To: Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>
Cc: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Ville Syrj?l? <syrjala@sci.fi>,
	daniel.ritz@gmx.ch, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-input@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [rft]power management for usbtouch
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 11:08:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200807011108.48556.oliver@neukum.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.1.10.0807010957320.6375@jikos.suse.cz>

Am Dienstag 01 Juli 2008 09:59:01 schrieb Jiri Kosina:
> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008, Oliver Neukum wrote:
> 
> >> Ok, I see... So what does a device do when it is suspended and a 
> >> request comes in? Does it automatically resume and service the request 
> >> (and potentially goes back to sleep)? Does it queue the request for 
> >> later? Ignore it? Is it a system-wide policy or up to the device 
> >> [class]?
> > Return an error. If you queue, how much would you queue?
> > There's no sane answer, so you better fail right away.
> 
> I guess that Dmitry's question was about the behavior of the driver, 
> right? For example in situation when the LED state changes on PS/2 
> keyboard, what should the USB keyboard driver do for a suspended USB 
> keyboard.

I understood it that way.

> I really don't think we want to return error in such cases. Either resume 
> the device, or queue some requests (maybe depending on the type of 
> requests), right?

We are talking about forcibly suspended devices, so they cannot be
resumed. We could queue, but where would we end queuing? And we
have to decide to stop it at some point, or we create a DoS problem.

The user has decided to put the device in a state in which the driver
cannot properly function. If the user wanted the driver to work, he should
select autosuspend.

	Regards
		Oliver

  reply	other threads:[~2008-07-01  9:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-26 13:57 [rft]power management for usbtouch Oliver Neukum
2008-06-26 14:45 ` Ville Syrjälä
     [not found]   ` <20080626144545.GF22310-ORSVBvAovxo@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-26 14:56     ` Oliver Neukum
     [not found]       ` <200806261656.06457.oliver-GvhC2dPhHPQdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-27  8:50         ` Oliver Neukum
2008-06-27 13:17           ` Ville Syrjälä
2008-06-27 16:10           ` Ville Syrjälä
     [not found]             ` <20080627161036.GE19430-ORSVBvAovxo@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-27 19:07               ` Oliver Neukum
2008-06-27 20:20                 ` Ville Syrjälä
     [not found]                   ` <20080627202027.GG19430-ORSVBvAovxo@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-27 20:41                     ` Oliver Neukum
     [not found]                       ` <200806272241.22513.oliver-GvhC2dPhHPQdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-27 20:51                         ` Ville Syrjälä
     [not found]                           ` <20080627205147.GI19430-ORSVBvAovxo@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-27 20:57                             ` Oliver Neukum
2008-06-27 21:28                               ` Ville Syrjälä
2008-06-28 10:52                                 ` Oliver Neukum
2008-06-28 11:22                                   ` Ville Syrjälä
     [not found]                                     ` <20080628112258.GK19430-ORSVBvAovxo@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-28 12:53                                       ` Oliver Neukum
2008-06-28 16:33                                         ` Alan Stern
2008-06-28 22:47                                           ` Oliver Neukum
     [not found]                                             ` <200806290047.56736.oliver-GvhC2dPhHPQdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-30 15:29                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2008-06-30 15:47                                                 ` Alan Stern
2008-06-30 16:02                                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
     [not found]                                                     ` <20080630115953.ZZRA012-NG0XCrj25/nJrYCpivWRnl5pS2h4L8biXqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-30 16:16                                                       ` Alan Stern
2008-06-30 16:30                                                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2008-06-30 16:58                                                           ` Alan Stern
2008-06-30 22:46                                                     ` Oliver Neukum
     [not found]                                                       ` <200807010046.34219.oliver-GvhC2dPhHPQdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-01  7:59                                                         ` Jiri Kosina
2008-07-01  9:08                                                           ` Oliver Neukum [this message]
2008-07-01 12:56                                                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2008-07-01 15:00                                                               ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                                                                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0807011058340.2780-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-01 16:02                                                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
     [not found]                                                               ` <20080701085504.ZZRA012-NG0XCrj25/nJrYCpivWRnl5pS2h4L8biXqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-01 16:57                                                                 ` Oliver Neukum
     [not found]                                                                   ` <200807011857.02259.oliver-GvhC2dPhHPQdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-01 17:39                                                                     ` Ville Syrjälä
2008-07-01 19:03                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2008-06-27 13:17       ` Ville Syrjälä

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