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From: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>
To: Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>
Cc: Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Ville Syrj?l? <syrjala@sci.fi>,
	daniel.ritz@gmx.ch, linux-usb@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-input@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [rft]power management for usbtouch
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 08:56:30 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080701085504.ZZRA012@mailhub.coreip.homeip.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200807011108.48556.oliver@neukum.org>

On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 11:08:47AM +0200, Oliver Neukum wrote:
> Am Dienstag 01 Juli 2008 09:59:01 schrieb Jiri Kosina:
> > On Tue, 1 Jul 2008, Oliver Neukum wrote:
> > 
> > >> Ok, I see... So what does a device do when it is suspended and a 
> > >> request comes in? Does it automatically resume and service the request 
> > >> (and potentially goes back to sleep)? Does it queue the request for 
> > >> later? Ignore it? Is it a system-wide policy or up to the device 
> > >> [class]?
> > > Return an error. If you queue, how much would you queue?
> > > There's no sane answer, so you better fail right away.
> > 
> > I guess that Dmitry's question was about the behavior of the driver, 
> > right? For example in situation when the LED state changes on PS/2 
> > keyboard, what should the USB keyboard driver do for a suspended USB 
> > keyboard.
> 
> I understood it that way.
> 
> > I really don't think we want to return error in such cases. Either resume 
> > the device, or queue some requests (maybe depending on the type of 
> > requests), right?
> 
> We are talking about forcibly suspended devices, so they cannot be
> resumed. We could queue, but where would we end queuing? And we
> have to decide to stop it at some point, or we create a DoS problem.
> 
> The user has decided to put the device in a state in which the driver
> cannot properly function. If the user wanted the driver to work, he should
> select autosuspend.
>

That is the thing with the forced suspend - it leaves device out of
sync with the rest of the system. If user really does not want to use
the device it should probably be completely disconnected?

-- 
Dmitry

  reply	other threads:[~2008-07-01 12:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-26 13:57 [rft]power management for usbtouch Oliver Neukum
2008-06-26 14:45 ` Ville Syrjälä
     [not found]   ` <20080626144545.GF22310-ORSVBvAovxo@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-26 14:56     ` Oliver Neukum
     [not found]       ` <200806261656.06457.oliver-GvhC2dPhHPQdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-27  8:50         ` Oliver Neukum
2008-06-27 13:17           ` Ville Syrjälä
2008-06-27 16:10           ` Ville Syrjälä
     [not found]             ` <20080627161036.GE19430-ORSVBvAovxo@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-27 19:07               ` Oliver Neukum
2008-06-27 20:20                 ` Ville Syrjälä
     [not found]                   ` <20080627202027.GG19430-ORSVBvAovxo@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-27 20:41                     ` Oliver Neukum
     [not found]                       ` <200806272241.22513.oliver-GvhC2dPhHPQdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-27 20:51                         ` Ville Syrjälä
     [not found]                           ` <20080627205147.GI19430-ORSVBvAovxo@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-27 20:57                             ` Oliver Neukum
2008-06-27 21:28                               ` Ville Syrjälä
2008-06-28 10:52                                 ` Oliver Neukum
2008-06-28 11:22                                   ` Ville Syrjälä
     [not found]                                     ` <20080628112258.GK19430-ORSVBvAovxo@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-28 12:53                                       ` Oliver Neukum
2008-06-28 16:33                                         ` Alan Stern
2008-06-28 22:47                                           ` Oliver Neukum
     [not found]                                             ` <200806290047.56736.oliver-GvhC2dPhHPQdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-30 15:29                                               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2008-06-30 15:47                                                 ` Alan Stern
2008-06-30 16:02                                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
     [not found]                                                     ` <20080630115953.ZZRA012-NG0XCrj25/nJrYCpivWRnl5pS2h4L8biXqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2008-06-30 16:16                                                       ` Alan Stern
2008-06-30 16:30                                                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2008-06-30 16:58                                                           ` Alan Stern
2008-06-30 22:46                                                     ` Oliver Neukum
     [not found]                                                       ` <200807010046.34219.oliver-GvhC2dPhHPQdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-01  7:59                                                         ` Jiri Kosina
2008-07-01  9:08                                                           ` Oliver Neukum
2008-07-01 12:56                                                             ` Dmitry Torokhov [this message]
2008-07-01 15:00                                                               ` Alan Stern
     [not found]                                                                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0807011058340.2780-100000-IYeN2dnnYyZXsRXLowluHWD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-01 16:02                                                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
     [not found]                                                               ` <20080701085504.ZZRA012-NG0XCrj25/nJrYCpivWRnl5pS2h4L8biXqFh9Ls21Oc@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-01 16:57                                                                 ` Oliver Neukum
     [not found]                                                                   ` <200807011857.02259.oliver-GvhC2dPhHPQdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-07-01 17:39                                                                     ` Ville Syrjälä
2008-07-01 19:03                                                                       ` Alan Stern
2008-06-27 13:17       ` Ville Syrjälä

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