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From: "Αγαθοκλής Χατζημανίκας" <aga.chatzimanikas@gmail.com>
To: Alejandro Colomar <alx@kernel.org>
Cc: "Arsen Arsenović" <arsen@aarsen.me>,
	"Collin Funk" <collin.funk1@gmail.com>,
	"Sam James" <sam@gentoo.org>,
	"G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com>,
	"Maciej W. Rozycki" <macro@orcam.me.uk>,
	"Paul Eggert" <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>,
	linux-man@vger.kernel.org, bug-gnulib@gnu.org,
	libc-alpha@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: [GNULIB] The goal of the Linux man-pages project
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2026 23:14:23 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <anJIHzkK68R5KAgH@CHATZ> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <anIaZ8X_73ZjmYtR@devuan>

Hi all,

I think I might be repeating myself a bit, but i would like to express a
subjective conclusion but from a point of an objective observer, so i had to
repeat some bits.

But first, lets start that i'm feeling that we owe to Alejandro, and [t]his
email I'm ansering should be the proof.

Look. People around here i breath, are without second thought the kings of
selfishness.
They really like their a.h and they do their best to put it in comfort. But:

When they are involved on cases that there is no gain for them, they are and
without second thought the kings of justness. This brings the desired balance.
There is a poem, that became a song, and could easily be our national anthem
that says: "Sun of justice, whom we feel"

Now, let's go dive in deep, and keep it short :).

Is there anyone out there, that if we started afresh a libc and the standard,
who believes that mem*() belong to string.h header?

Look, there is this one special thing that can characterize a programmer, and
this is preciseness! Based on that, i really believe that every sane C programmer
in this planet, would be voting for a header like memory.h, because that is the
of their operation. End of story.

Again and to Alex mostly:
Judging from the current glorious! circumstances we live, to ask from old dogd
to make such trycks is unreasonable. This is not a fight that deserves to spend
our valuable energy. End of story. I believe you'll understand. Again, you are
tottally precise. And in my opinion, you can be accused for overheated enthusiasm
or overzealously, but with no way for irresponsibility (quite the contrary!),
and in my opinion you are deserving an apology.

But and to be precise, we all owe to Branden (I can't remember the last time
I met such a crystal logic, and it feels like a gift (thankfully this giant
(mostly useless) thread offered some value :))).

To others: please offer some trust to Alex. He proved (okey he is selfish like
every f atom in this world we know) that is capable to change mind and offer a
way out. But is ridicoulous to ask by him to bow in his knees and loose his
mind. Because it is clear that he believes that he is doing the right thing.
So again give him some space and trust. We all (always) need each other, but
especially those brilliant moments we live. Please don't give the machine the
chance to do even a bit more than it should do. It is obviously fatal if we
give it even a bit of space out of what we can control with confidence.

Many thanks for listening.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-08-04 20:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 139+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-31 21:18 [PATCH 0/2] alx-0097r1 - <memory.h>, the legitimate header for memcpy(3) et al Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 21:18 ` [PATCH 1/2] man/man3/{mem,strn}*(): SYNOPSIS, STANDARDS: Document these as provided by <memory.h> Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 21:23   ` Joseph Myers
2026-07-31 21:28     ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 21:54       ` Sam James
2026-07-31 22:18         ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01  0:12           ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 14:43           ` Sam James
2026-07-31 21:51     ` on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform (was: [PATCH 1/2] man/man3/{mem,strn}*(): SYNOPSIS, STANDARDS: Document these as provided by <memory.h>) G. Branden Robinson
2026-07-31 21:59       ` on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform Sam James
2026-07-31 22:24         ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-07-31 23:19           ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 14:52           ` Sam James
2026-08-01 12:01         ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 12:04           ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 14:38           ` Sam James
2026-08-01 15:15             ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 16:10               ` Sam James
2026-08-01 17:09                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 21:34                   ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-01 22:22                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 22:26                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 13:42                       ` Joseph Myers
2026-08-03 14:22                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 14:38                         ` on glibc forking/reclaiming its man pages (was: on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform) G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-03 14:44                           ` Joseph Myers
2026-08-03 15:18                             ` G. Branden Robinson
     [not found]                   ` <CAETFuj2OwoyK9J85r2f0RoXbHbXKA4gQJ=JZ-7=QoqGcMwk0+Q@mail.gmail.com>
2026-08-01 22:44                     ` on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 23:24                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 23:53                         ` proposed revision to memory.h(3head) (was: on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform) G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-02  0:27                           ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02  1:03                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03  0:47                             ` proposed revision to memory.h(3head) Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 17:58                               ` Mark Harris
2026-08-03 18:47                                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 20:14                                   ` Mark Harris
2026-08-03 23:36                                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-04  3:25                                       ` Mark Harris
2026-08-03 14:10                             ` proposed revision to memory.h(3head) (was: on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform) Joseph Myers
2026-08-03 14:31                               ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 12:52                         ` on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform Steve Summit
2026-08-02 13:17                           ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 13:45                             ` Steve Summit
2026-08-02 14:11                               ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 19:28                                 ` Paul Eggert
2026-08-02 20:31                                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03  3:28                                     ` Paul Eggert
2026-08-03 11:39                                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 13:23               ` Joseph Myers
2026-08-01 20:18             ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-01 20:42               ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 20:45                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 20:52                 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-01 21:12                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 22:10       ` on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform (was: [PATCH 1/2] man/man3/{mem,strn}*(): SYNOPSIS, STANDARDS: Document these as provided by <memory.h>) Joseph Myers
2026-07-31 22:21         ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 22:28           ` [PATCH 1/2] man/man3/{mem,strn}*(): SYNOPSIS, STANDARDS: Document these as provided by <memory.h> G. Branden Robinson
2026-07-31 22:42           ` on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform (was: [PATCH 1/2] man/man3/{mem,strn}*(): SYNOPSIS, STANDARDS: Document these as provided by <memory.h>) Joseph Myers
2026-07-31 22:52             ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 23:11               ` Joseph Myers
2026-07-31 23:32                 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-01 12:39                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 14:26                   ` Christopher Bazley
2026-08-01 15:29                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 23:45                 ` on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform (was: " Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 12:39                   ` Douglas McIlroy
2026-08-01 19:54                     ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-01 20:35                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 23:08             ` [PATCH 1/2] man/man3/{mem,strn}*(): SYNOPSIS, STANDARDS: Document these as provided by <memory.h> G. Branden Robinson
2026-07-31 23:28               ` Joseph Myers
2026-07-31 23:57                 ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-01  0:06                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 22:05     ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 22:16       ` Joseph Myers
2026-07-31 22:33         ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 23:48     ` [PATCH 1/2] man/man3/{mem, strn}*(): " Collin Funk
2026-07-31 23:52       ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01  0:01         ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-04  2:35         ` Thorsten Glaser
2026-07-31 21:19 ` [PATCH 2/2] man/man*/{string.3,memory.h.3head}: Move functions to a new page memory.h(3head) Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-31 21:20 ` [PATCH 0/2] alx-0097r1 - <memory.h>, the legitimate header for memcpy(3) et al Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01  0:25 ` [PATCH v2] man/man3/mem*(): SYNOPSIS: Document non-standard mem*() functions as provided by <memory.h> Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 22:22   ` Bruno Haible
2026-08-01 22:38     ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 22:55       ` Bruno Haible
2026-08-01 23:10         ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 23:26           ` Collin Funk
2026-08-01 23:34             ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-01 23:29           ` Paul Eggert
2026-08-01 23:36             ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02  0:08               ` the Linux man-pages as an educational tool (was: [PATCH v2] man/man3/mem*(): SYNOPSIS: Document non-standard mem*() functions as provided by <memory.h>) G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-02  0:45                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02  1:04                   ` the Linux man-pages as an educational tool Collin Funk
2026-08-02  1:15                     ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-02  1:15                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02  1:49                       ` Collin Funk
2026-08-02 11:29                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 11:47                           ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 12:04                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 21:23                       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2026-08-02 21:34                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 23:08                           ` Arsen Arsenović
2026-08-02 23:10                             ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-02 23:27                               ` Collin Funk
2026-08-02 23:37                                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 23:41                                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-02 23:42                                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03  1:12                                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03  2:09                                       ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-03 12:21                                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 14:05                                           ` Sam James
2026-08-03 14:40                                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 15:34                                               ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-03 16:11                                                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 16:15                                               ` Sam James
2026-08-03 16:43                                                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 10:28                                   ` the Linux man-pages as an educational tool... and a bit about C Αγαθοκλής Χατζημανίκας
2026-08-03 14:03                                   ` the Linux man-pages as an educational tool Sam James
2026-08-03 14:28                                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-04  2:39                                     ` Collin Funk
2026-08-04 12:12                                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-04 15:49                                         ` Arsen Arsenović
2026-08-04 17:16                                           ` The goal of the Linux man-pages project Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-04 20:04                                             ` DJ Delorie
2026-08-04 20:14                                             ` Αγαθοκλής Χατζημανίκας [this message]
2026-08-03 16:09                                   ` on project management (was: the Linux man-pages as an educational tool) G. Branden Robinson
2026-08-03 19:46                                     ` enh
2026-08-03 21:09                                       ` on project management Arsen Arsenović
2026-08-02 23:30                               ` the Linux man-pages as an educational tool Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 11:00                               ` Arsen Arsenović
2026-08-03 16:07                           ` Jeffrey Walton
2026-08-03 16:17                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 19:31                           ` Joseph Myers
2026-08-03 19:47                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 13:51                         ` When and why realloc(,0) was broken in glibc in 1999 Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 12:35                       ` the Linux man-pages as an educational tool Bruno Haible
2026-08-03 13:07                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-08-03 19:45                           ` Joseph Myers
2026-08-03 19:50                             ` Alejandro Colomar

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