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From: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
To: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Dave Wysochanski <dwysocha@redhat.com>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-nfs <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>, NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: allowing for a completely cached umount(2) pathwalk
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 14:18:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230414-insignien-fordern-07551443dccd@brauner> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8d2c619d2a91f3ac925fbc8e4fc467c6b137ab14.camel@kernel.org>

On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 06:01:59AM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote:
> On Fri, 2023-04-14 at 03:32 +0100, Al Viro wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 06:00:42PM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote:
> > 
> > > It describes a situation where there are nested NFS mounts on a client,
> > > and one of the intermediate mounts ends up being unexported from the
> > > server. In a situation like this, we end up being unable to pathwalk
> > > down to the child mount of these unreachable dentries and can't unmount
> > > anything, even as root.
> > 
> > So umount -l the stuck sucker.  What's the problem with that?
> > 
> 
> You mean lazy umount the parent that is stuck? What happens to the child
> mount in that case? Is it also eventually cleaned up?

I hope it's ok I barge in to answer this but due to the mount beneath
patches I was working on I did spend even more time in that code then I
already did. So this is good chance to get yelled at if I analyzed these
codepaths wrong.

The child mount would be unmounted in that case. umount_tree() is what
you want to be looking at.

If you perform a regular umount _without_ MNT_DETACH you can see that
umount_tree() is effectively guarded by a call to propagate_mount_busy().
It checks wether the direct umount target has any child mounts and if so
refuses the umount with EBUSY:

        mkdir -p /mnt/a/b /mnt/c /mnt/d

	# Create parent mount of a@c
        mount --bind /mnt/a /mnt/c

	# create child d@b which as child mount of a@c
        mount --bind /mnt/d /mnt/c/b

If you call umount /mnt/c it will fail because a@c has child mounts.
If you do a lazy umount via MNT_DETACH through umount -l /mnt/c then it
will also unmount all children of a@c. In fact it will even include
children of children...

	mkdir /mnt/c/b/e
	mount --bind /mnt/a/b/ /mnt/c/b/e
	umount -l /mnt/c

That's basically what the next_mnt() loop at the beginning of
umount_tree() is doing where it collects all direct targets to umount.

However, if mount propagation is in play things get a lot nastier as you
can fail a non-MNT_DETACH umount because of it as well (Note that umount
propagation is always triggered if the parent mount of your direct
umount target is a shared mount. IOW, you can't easily opt out of it
unless you make the parent mount of your immediate umount target a
non-shared mount.).

A trivial reason that comes to mind where you would fail the umount due
to mount propagation would where a propagated mount is kept busy and not
the original mount. So similar to above on the host do:

        mkdir -p /mnt/a/b /mnt/c /mnt/d
        mount --bind /mnt/a /mnt/c
        umount /mnt/c

and you would expect the umount /mnt/c to work. But you realize it fails
with EBUSY but noone is referencing that mount anymore at least not in
an obvious way.

But assume someone had a mount namespace open that receives mount
propagation from /. In that case the a@c mount would have propagated
into that mount namespace. So someone could've cd /mnt/c into that
propagated mount and the umount /mnt/c would fail.

In that case propagate_mount_busy() would detect the increased refcount
when it tries to check whether the umount could be propagated and give
you EBUSY. So here you also need a lazy umount to get rid of that
mount... And there are other nice scenarios where that's hard to figure
out.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-14 12:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-13 22:00 allowing for a completely cached umount(2) pathwalk Jeff Layton
2023-04-13 22:25 ` Andreas Dilger
2023-04-13 22:41 ` NeilBrown
2023-04-14  2:43   ` Al Viro
2023-04-14  3:28     ` Trond Myklebust
2023-04-14  3:51       ` Al Viro
2023-04-14  4:06         ` Trond Myklebust
2023-04-14  4:21           ` Al Viro
2023-04-14  9:41         ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14 10:09           ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-14 11:16             ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14 12:33               ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-14 12:51                 ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-15  9:51             ` Amir Goldstein
2023-04-14 10:06     ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-14 13:41       ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14 14:21         ` Trond Myklebust
2023-04-14 15:13           ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14 15:30             ` Trond Myklebust
2023-04-14 15:57               ` Trond Myklebust
2023-04-14 16:22                 ` Al Viro
2023-04-14 16:41                   ` Trond Myklebust
2023-04-14 19:01                     ` Benjamin Coddington
2023-04-17  8:22                       ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14 16:32               ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14  2:32 ` Al Viro
2023-04-14 10:01   ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-14 12:18     ` Christian Brauner [this message]
2023-04-14 14:57     ` Al Viro
2023-04-14 13:16   ` David Wysochanski
2023-04-16 23:13 ` [PATCH/RFC] VFS: LOOKUP_MOUNTPOINT should used cached info whenever possible NeilBrown
2023-04-17 11:55   ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-17 12:25     ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-17 14:24       ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-17 15:21         ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-17 21:34           ` NeilBrown
2023-04-18  8:10             ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-18  3:25           ` Andreas Dilger
2023-04-18  8:04             ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-20 13:05               ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-20 15:41                 ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-17 21:26     ` NeilBrown
2023-04-20 21:35       ` Al Viro
2023-04-20 22:01         ` NeilBrown
2023-04-20 22:27           ` Al Viro
2023-04-17 12:09   ` Jeff Layton

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