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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	Dave Wysochanski <dwysocha@redhat.com>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-nfs <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: allowing for a completely cached umount(2) pathwalk
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 03:43:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230414024312.GF3390869@ZenIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <168142566371.24821.15867603327393356000@noble.neil.brown.name>

On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 08:41:03AM +1000, NeilBrown wrote:

> The path name that appears in /proc/mounts is the key that must be used
> to find and unmount a filesystem.  When you do that "find"ing you are
> not looking up a name in a filesystem, you are looking up a key in the
> mount table.

No.  The path name in /proc/mounts is *NOT* a key - it's a best-effort
attempt to describe the mountpoint.  Pathname resolution does not work
in terms of "the longest prefix is found and we handle the rest within
that filesystem".

> We could, instead, create an api that is given a mount-id (first number
> in /proc/self/mountinfo) and unmounts that.  Then /sbin/umount could
> read /proc/self/mountinfo, find the mount-id, and unmount it - all
> without ever doing path name lookup in the traditional sense.
> 
> But I prefer your suggestion.  LOOKUP_MOUNTPOINT could be renamed
> LOOKUP_CACHED, and it only finds paths that are in the dcache, never
> revalidates, at most performs simple permission checks based on cached
> content.

umount /proc/self/fd/42/barf/something

Discuss.

OTON, umount-by-mount-id is an interesting idea, but we'll need to decide
what would the right permissions be for it.

But please, lose the "mount table is a mapping from path prefix to filesystem"
notion - it really, really is not.  IIRC, there are systems that work that way,
but it's nowhere near the semantics used by any Unices, all variants of Linux
included.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-14  2:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-13 22:00 allowing for a completely cached umount(2) pathwalk Jeff Layton
2023-04-13 22:25 ` Andreas Dilger
2023-04-13 22:41 ` NeilBrown
2023-04-14  2:43   ` Al Viro [this message]
2023-04-14  3:28     ` Trond Myklebust
2023-04-14  3:51       ` Al Viro
2023-04-14  4:06         ` Trond Myklebust
2023-04-14  4:21           ` Al Viro
2023-04-14  9:41         ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14 10:09           ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-14 11:16             ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14 12:33               ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-14 12:51                 ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-15  9:51             ` Amir Goldstein
2023-04-14 10:06     ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-14 13:41       ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14 14:21         ` Trond Myklebust
2023-04-14 15:13           ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14 15:30             ` Trond Myklebust
2023-04-14 15:57               ` Trond Myklebust
2023-04-14 16:22                 ` Al Viro
2023-04-14 16:41                   ` Trond Myklebust
2023-04-14 19:01                     ` Benjamin Coddington
2023-04-17  8:22                       ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14 16:32               ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14  2:32 ` Al Viro
2023-04-14 10:01   ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-14 12:18     ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14 14:57     ` Al Viro
2023-04-14 13:16   ` David Wysochanski
2023-04-16 23:13 ` [PATCH/RFC] VFS: LOOKUP_MOUNTPOINT should used cached info whenever possible NeilBrown
2023-04-17 11:55   ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-17 12:25     ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-17 14:24       ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-17 15:21         ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-17 21:34           ` NeilBrown
2023-04-18  8:10             ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-18  3:25           ` Andreas Dilger
2023-04-18  8:04             ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-20 13:05               ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-20 15:41                 ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-17 21:26     ` NeilBrown
2023-04-20 21:35       ` Al Viro
2023-04-20 22:01         ` NeilBrown
2023-04-20 22:27           ` Al Viro
2023-04-17 12:09   ` Jeff Layton

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