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From: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
To: Trond Myklebust <trondmy@hammerspace.com>
Cc: Jeffrey Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>,
	Dave Wysochanski <dwysocha@redhat.com>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-nfs <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: allowing for a completely cached umount(2) pathwalk
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 17:13:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230414-leiht-lektion-18f5a7a38306@brauner> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9192A185-03BF-4062-B12F-E7EF52578014@hammerspace.com>

On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 02:21:00PM +0000, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> 
> 
> > On Apr 14, 2023, at 09:41, Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org> wrote:
> > 
> > On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 06:06:38AM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote:
> >> On Fri, 2023-04-14 at 03:43 +0100, Al Viro wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 08:41:03AM +1000, NeilBrown wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> The path name that appears in /proc/mounts is the key that must be used
> >>>> to find and unmount a filesystem.  When you do that "find"ing you are
> >>>> not looking up a name in a filesystem, you are looking up a key in the
> >>>> mount table.
> >>> 
> >>> No.  The path name in /proc/mounts is *NOT* a key - it's a best-effort
> >>> attempt to describe the mountpoint.  Pathname resolution does not work
> >>> in terms of "the longest prefix is found and we handle the rest within
> >>> that filesystem".
> >>> 
> >>>> We could, instead, create an api that is given a mount-id (first number
> >>>> in /proc/self/mountinfo) and unmounts that.  Then /sbin/umount could
> >>>> read /proc/self/mountinfo, find the mount-id, and unmount it - all
> >>>> without ever doing path name lookup in the traditional sense.
> >>>> 
> >>>> But I prefer your suggestion.  LOOKUP_MOUNTPOINT could be renamed
> >>>> LOOKUP_CACHED, and it only finds paths that are in the dcache, never
> >>>> revalidates, at most performs simple permission checks based on cached
> >>>> content.
> >>> 
> >>> umount /proc/self/fd/42/barf/something
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> Does any of that involve talking to the server? I don't necessarily see
> >> a problem with doing the above. If "something" is in cache then that
> >> should still work.
> >> 
> >> The main idea here is that we want to avoid communicating with the
> >> backing store during the umount(2) pathwalk.
> >> 
> >>> Discuss.
> >>> 
> >>> OTON, umount-by-mount-id is an interesting idea, but we'll need to decide
> >>> what would the right permissions be for it.
> >>> 
> >>> But please, lose the "mount table is a mapping from path prefix to filesystem"
> >>> notion - it really, really is not.  IIRC, there are systems that work that way,
> >>> but it's nowhere near the semantics used by any Unices, all variants of Linux
> >>> included.
> >> 
> >> I'm not opposed to something by umount-by-mount-id either. All of this
> >> seems like something that should probably rely on CAP_SYS_ADMIN.
> > 
> > The permission model needs to account for the fact that mount ids are
> > global and as such you could in principle unmount any mount in any mount
> > namespace. IOW, you can circumvent lookup restrictions completely.
> > 
> > So we could resolve the mnt-id to an FMODE_PATH and then very roughly
> > with no claim to solving everything:
> > 
> > may_umount_by_mnt_id(struct path *opath)
> > {
> > struct path root;
> > bool reachable;
> > 
> > // caller in principle able to circumvent lookup restrictions
> >        if (!may_cap_dac_readsearch())
> > return false;
> > 
> > // caller can mount in their mountns
> > if (!may_mount())
> > return false;
> > 
> > // target mount and caller in the same mountns
> > if (!check_mnt())
> > return false;
> > 
> > // caller could in principle reach mount from it's root
> > get_fs_root(current->fs, &root);
> >        reachable = is_path_reachable(real_mount(opath->mnt), opath->dentry, &root);
> > path_put(&root);
> > 
> > return reachable;
> > }
> > 
> > However, that still means that we have laxer restrictions on unmounting
> > by mount-id then on unmount with lookup as for lookup just having
> > CAP_DAC_READ_SEARCH isn't enough. Usually - at least for filesytems
> > without custom permission handlers - we also establish that the inode
> > can be mapped into the caller's idmapping.
> > 
> > So that would mean that unmounting by mount-id would allow you to
> > unmount mounts in cases where you wouldn't with umount. That might be
> > fine though as that's ultimately the goal here in a way.
> > 
> > One could also see a very useful feature in this where you require
> > capable(CAP_DAC_READ_SEARCH) and capable(CAP_SYS_ADMIN) and then allow
> > unmounting any mount in the system by mount-id. This would obviously be
> > very useful for privileged service managers but I haven't thought this
> > Through.
> 
> That is exactly why having a separate syscall to do the lookup of the mount-id is good: it provides separation of privilege.
> 
> The conversion of mount-id to an O_PATH file descriptor is just akin to a path lookup, so only needs CAP_DAC_READ_SEARCH (since you require privilege only to bypass the ACL directory read and lookup restrictions). The resulting O_PATH file descriptor has no special properties that require any further privilege.
> 
> Then use that resulting file descriptor for the umount, which normally requires CAP_SYS_ADMIN.

There's a difference between unmounting directly by providing a mount id
and getting an O_PATH file descriptor from a mnt-id. If you can simply
unmount by mount-id it's useful for users that have CAP_DAC_READ_SEARCH
in a container. Without it you likely need to require
capable(CAP_DAC_READ_SEARCH) aka system level privileges just like
open_to_handle_at() which makes this interface way less generic and
usable. Otherwise you'd be able to get an O_PATH fd to something that
you wouldn't be able to access through normal path lookup.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-14 15:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-13 22:00 allowing for a completely cached umount(2) pathwalk Jeff Layton
2023-04-13 22:25 ` Andreas Dilger
2023-04-13 22:41 ` NeilBrown
2023-04-14  2:43   ` Al Viro
2023-04-14  3:28     ` Trond Myklebust
2023-04-14  3:51       ` Al Viro
2023-04-14  4:06         ` Trond Myklebust
2023-04-14  4:21           ` Al Viro
2023-04-14  9:41         ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14 10:09           ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-14 11:16             ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14 12:33               ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-14 12:51                 ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-15  9:51             ` Amir Goldstein
2023-04-14 10:06     ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-14 13:41       ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14 14:21         ` Trond Myklebust
2023-04-14 15:13           ` Christian Brauner [this message]
2023-04-14 15:30             ` Trond Myklebust
2023-04-14 15:57               ` Trond Myklebust
2023-04-14 16:22                 ` Al Viro
2023-04-14 16:41                   ` Trond Myklebust
2023-04-14 19:01                     ` Benjamin Coddington
2023-04-17  8:22                       ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14 16:32               ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14  2:32 ` Al Viro
2023-04-14 10:01   ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-14 12:18     ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14 14:57     ` Al Viro
2023-04-14 13:16   ` David Wysochanski
2023-04-16 23:13 ` [PATCH/RFC] VFS: LOOKUP_MOUNTPOINT should used cached info whenever possible NeilBrown
2023-04-17 11:55   ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-17 12:25     ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-17 14:24       ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-17 15:21         ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-17 21:34           ` NeilBrown
2023-04-18  8:10             ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-18  3:25           ` Andreas Dilger
2023-04-18  8:04             ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-20 13:05               ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-20 15:41                 ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-17 21:26     ` NeilBrown
2023-04-20 21:35       ` Al Viro
2023-04-20 22:01         ` NeilBrown
2023-04-20 22:27           ` Al Viro
2023-04-17 12:09   ` Jeff Layton

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