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From: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
To: Jeff Layton <jlayton@kernel.org>
Cc: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	Dave Wysochanski <dwysocha@redhat.com>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-nfs <linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>, NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: allowing for a completely cached umount(2) pathwalk
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 15:57:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230414145759.GJ3390869@ZenIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8d2c619d2a91f3ac925fbc8e4fc467c6b137ab14.camel@kernel.org>

On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 06:01:59AM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote:
> On Fri, 2023-04-14 at 03:32 +0100, Al Viro wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 06:00:42PM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote:
> > 
> > > It describes a situation where there are nested NFS mounts on a client,
> > > and one of the intermediate mounts ends up being unexported from the
> > > server. In a situation like this, we end up being unable to pathwalk
> > > down to the child mount of these unreachable dentries and can't unmount
> > > anything, even as root.
> > 
> > So umount -l the stuck sucker.  What's the problem with that?
> > 
> 
> You mean lazy umount the parent that is stuck? What happens to the child
> mount in that case? Is it also eventually cleaned up?

Yes.  Lazy umount takes out the contributions to refcount due to being
present in mount tree; as soon as other references go away (opened
files, current directories, in-progress syscalls on files in there) struct
mount instance releases the active reference to filesystem instance
(struct super_block) and goes away.  Once all active references to
filesystem instance are gone, it gets shut down.

> Yeah, I hadn't considered symlinks here. Still, if we have a cached
> symlink dentry, wouldn't we also already have the symlink target in
> cache too? Or is that not guaranteed?

Not at all.  What's more, why would we have that symlink dentry cached
in the first place?  If you suddenly impose that kind of restrictions
on umount(2), you are pretty much guaranteed to break userland...

Symlink dentries are rarely pinned, BTW - they may very well be
cached if we hit them often enough, but outside of the things
like lchown()/lstat() or pathname resolution in progress that is
currently traversing that symlink... refcount is going to be zero.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-04-14 14:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-13 22:00 allowing for a completely cached umount(2) pathwalk Jeff Layton
2023-04-13 22:25 ` Andreas Dilger
2023-04-13 22:41 ` NeilBrown
2023-04-14  2:43   ` Al Viro
2023-04-14  3:28     ` Trond Myklebust
2023-04-14  3:51       ` Al Viro
2023-04-14  4:06         ` Trond Myklebust
2023-04-14  4:21           ` Al Viro
2023-04-14  9:41         ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14 10:09           ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-14 11:16             ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14 12:33               ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-14 12:51                 ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-15  9:51             ` Amir Goldstein
2023-04-14 10:06     ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-14 13:41       ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14 14:21         ` Trond Myklebust
2023-04-14 15:13           ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14 15:30             ` Trond Myklebust
2023-04-14 15:57               ` Trond Myklebust
2023-04-14 16:22                 ` Al Viro
2023-04-14 16:41                   ` Trond Myklebust
2023-04-14 19:01                     ` Benjamin Coddington
2023-04-17  8:22                       ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14 16:32               ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14  2:32 ` Al Viro
2023-04-14 10:01   ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-14 12:18     ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-14 14:57     ` Al Viro [this message]
2023-04-14 13:16   ` David Wysochanski
2023-04-16 23:13 ` [PATCH/RFC] VFS: LOOKUP_MOUNTPOINT should used cached info whenever possible NeilBrown
2023-04-17 11:55   ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-17 12:25     ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-17 14:24       ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-17 15:21         ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-17 21:34           ` NeilBrown
2023-04-18  8:10             ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-18  3:25           ` Andreas Dilger
2023-04-18  8:04             ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-20 13:05               ` Jeff Layton
2023-04-20 15:41                 ` Christian Brauner
2023-04-17 21:26     ` NeilBrown
2023-04-20 21:35       ` Al Viro
2023-04-20 22:01         ` NeilBrown
2023-04-20 22:27           ` Al Viro
2023-04-17 12:09   ` Jeff Layton

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