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From: Len Brown <lenb@kernel.org>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Arjan van de Veen <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Andreas Herrmann <andreas.herrmann3@amd.com>,
	"Maciej W. Rozycki" <macro@linux-mips.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 0/6] AMD C1E aware idle support
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:47:49 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0806181834110.3074@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080610171639.551369443@linutronix.de>



On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Thomas Gleixner wrote:

> AMD CPUs with C1E support are currently excluded from high resolution
> timers and NOHZ support. The reason is that C1E is a BIOS controlled
> C3 power state which switches off TSC and the local APIC timer. The
> ACPI C-State control manages the TSC/local APIC timer wreckage, but
> this does not include the C1 based ("halt" instruction) C1E mode. The
> BIOS/SMM controlled C1E state works on most systems even without
> enabling ACPI C-State control.

What a mess.

What is the measured power savings that justifies this effort?

While I'm okay with platform specific idle states,
I'm not okay with the use of therm C1E here.

C1E has been shipped for many years on Intel processors
and it is completely transparent to the OS.

If AMD now has their own C1E and it breaks the OS,
please call is something like AMD_C1E to make it
totally clear in shared files like process.c
that consulting that variable or running that routine
on Intel hardware would be a Linux bug.

thanks
-Len


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-06-18 22:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-12 10:28 [patch 0/6] AMD C1E aware idle support Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-12 10:28 ` [patch 1/6] x86: simplify idle selection Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-12 10:28 ` [patch 2/6] x86: cleanup C1E enabled detection Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-12 10:28 ` [patch 3/6] x86: use cpuinfo to check for interrupt pending message msr Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-13  6:55   ` Andreas Herrmann
2008-06-13 12:38     ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-13 14:28       ` Andreas Herrmann
2008-06-12 10:28 ` [patch 4/6] x86: use cpuid to check MWAIT support for C1 Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-12 10:28 ` [patch 5/6] x86: move more common idle functions/variables to process.c Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-12 10:29 ` [patch 6/6] x86: add c1e aware idle function Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-13  0:55   ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-13  6:02     ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-13  7:28       ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-18 19:21   ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-18 20:26     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-18 21:58       ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-18 22:04         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-18 22:17           ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-18 22:27             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-12 12:31 ` [patch 0/6] AMD C1E aware idle support Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-12 12:32   ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]     ` <200806131118.31160.rjw@sisk.pl>
2008-06-13 11:52       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-12 13:09   ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-12 14:24 ` Andreas Herrmann
2008-06-12 15:48   ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-14 21:27 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-06-18 22:47 ` Len Brown [this message]
2008-07-04 14:35   ` Andreas Herrmann
2008-07-04 15:18     ` [PATCH] x86: emphasize that c1e aware idle stuff is AMD specific Andreas Herrmann
2008-08-05 17:42     ` [patch 0/6] AMD C1E aware idle support Pavel Machek
2008-08-06 13:21       ` Andreas Herrmann

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