From: Michael Gorven <michael@gorven.za.net>
To: The development of GRUB 2 <grub-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: A _good_ and valid use for TPM
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:29:34 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200902211729.52450.michael@gorven.za.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090221135142.GK16068@thorin>
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On Saturday 21 February 2009 15:51:42 Robert Millan wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 09:45:28AM +0200, Michael Gorven wrote:
> > TPM can be used for good or for bad, but this is the case for everything
> > involving cryptography. We don't refuse to use encryption algorithms
> > because they could be used for DRM, so why should we refuse to use TPM?
>
> I don't agree with this analogy. Unlike cryptography, TPMs have been
> designed from the ground up to serve an evil purpose. They *could* have
> designed them with good intent, for example either of these could apply:
>
> - Buyer gets a printed copy of the TPM's private key when they buy a
> board.
>
> - An override button that's physically accessible from the chip can be
> used to disable "hostile mode" and make the TPM sign everything. From
> that point physical access can be managed with traditional methods
> (e.g. locks).
>
> But they didn't.
Just to clarify, are you objecting to the use of TPM on principle and because
you don't want to encourage use of it, or because you think this specific use
(trusted boot path) is dangerous?
Michael
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-02-21 15:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-02-19 17:43 A _good_ and valid use for TPM Alex Besogonov
2009-02-19 19:30 ` phcoder
2009-02-19 21:00 ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-20 0:29 ` Jan Alsenz
2009-02-20 1:03 ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-20 7:47 ` Jan Alsenz
2009-02-22 1:14 ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-27 19:59 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 13:46 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 14:20 ` Jan Alsenz
2009-02-21 14:34 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 15:00 ` Jan Alsenz
2009-02-21 20:08 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-22 1:21 ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-22 9:44 ` phcoder
2009-02-22 14:49 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-02-22 15:33 ` phcoder
2009-02-23 2:34 ` step21
2009-02-23 13:35 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-02-27 20:07 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-27 20:03 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 16:29 ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-21 17:03 ` phcoder
2009-02-21 20:23 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 20:21 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-22 1:26 ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-27 20:13 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-20 7:45 ` Michael Gorven
2009-02-20 11:27 ` phcoder
2009-02-20 12:12 ` Michael Gorven
2009-02-20 17:31 ` Jan Alsenz
2009-02-20 18:35 ` Vesa Jääskeläinen
2009-02-20 19:35 ` Jan Alsenz
2009-02-21 13:59 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 13:51 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 15:29 ` Michael Gorven [this message]
2009-02-21 20:31 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 20:43 ` Michael Gorven
2009-02-21 21:04 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 21:17 ` Jan Alsenz
2009-02-21 21:27 ` phcoder
2009-02-21 21:32 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 21:57 ` Jan Alsenz
2009-02-21 23:19 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 21:04 ` Jan Alsenz
2009-02-21 21:27 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-22 2:10 ` Isaac Dupree
2009-02-27 20:28 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 16:48 ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-21 20:39 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-22 1:02 ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-27 20:33 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 16:58 ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-21 17:08 ` phcoder
2009-02-21 20:43 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 13:31 ` Robert Millan
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-02-21 2:27 Alex Besogonov
2009-02-18 14:10 Alex Besogonov
2009-02-18 14:52 ` Isaac Dupree
2009-02-18 15:10 ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-18 22:03 ` Isaac Dupree
2009-02-19 9:46 ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-18 9:10 Alex Besogonov
2009-02-18 12:16 ` phcoder
[not found] ` <499C7809.6030203@student.ethz.ch>
2009-02-19 10:21 ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-19 15:05 ` phcoder
2009-02-19 15:38 ` Colin D Bennett
2009-02-19 16:29 ` phcoder
2009-02-21 13:38 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 13:43 ` phcoder
2009-02-21 14:00 ` Jan Alsenz
2009-02-19 15:44 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-02-19 16:02 ` phcoder
2009-02-21 13:22 ` Robert Millan
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