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From: Robert Millan <rmh@aybabtu.com>
To: The development of GRUB 2 <grub-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: A _good_ and valid use for TPM
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 21:43:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090221204320.GH18492@thorin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f9ca530f0902210858w7f52eb8h72777cc387ce6619@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 06:58:58PM +0200, Alex Besogonov wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Robert Millan <rmh@aybabtu.com> wrote:
> >  - An override button that's physically accessible from the chip can be
> >    used to disable "hostile mode" and make the TPM sign everything.  From
> >    that point physical access can be managed with traditional methods (e.g.
> >    locks).
> > But they didn't.
> And actually, they did.
> ================================
> New flexibility in EKs. In the 1.1b specification, endorsement keys
> were fixed in the
> chip at manufacture. This allowed a certificate to be provided by the
> manufacturer for the
> key. However, some privacy advocates are worried about the EK becoming
> a nonchangeable
> identifier (in spite of all the privacy controls around it, which
> would make doing
> this very difficult). ***As a result, the specification allows a
> manufacturer to allow the key to
> be removed by the end user and regenerated.*** Of course the
> certificate at that point would
> become worthless, and it could be very expensive for the end user to
> get a new certificate.
> ================================
> https://www.trustedcomputinggroup.org/specs/TSS/TSS_1_2_Errata_A-final.pdf

I would have to study this in detail, but I don't see the text saying that
remote attestation is no longer supported.

What this probably amounts to is that the coercion process can now be made
anonymously, which I already knew:

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_anonymous_attestation

and which is not the core of the problem.

-- 
Robert Millan

  The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and
  how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we
  still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all."



  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-02-21 20:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-02-19 17:43 A _good_ and valid use for TPM Alex Besogonov
2009-02-19 19:30 ` phcoder
2009-02-19 21:00   ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-20  0:29     ` Jan Alsenz
2009-02-20  1:03       ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-20  7:47         ` Jan Alsenz
2009-02-22  1:14           ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-27 19:59             ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 13:46         ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 14:20           ` Jan Alsenz
2009-02-21 14:34             ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 15:00               ` Jan Alsenz
2009-02-21 20:08                 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-22  1:21                   ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-22  9:44                     ` phcoder
2009-02-22 14:49                       ` Michal Suchanek
2009-02-22 15:33                         ` phcoder
2009-02-23  2:34                           ` step21
2009-02-23 13:35                             ` Michal Suchanek
2009-02-27 20:07                             ` Robert Millan
2009-02-27 20:03                     ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 16:29           ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-21 17:03             ` phcoder
2009-02-21 20:23               ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 20:21             ` Robert Millan
2009-02-22  1:26               ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-27 20:13                 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-20  7:45       ` Michael Gorven
2009-02-20 11:27         ` phcoder
2009-02-20 12:12           ` Michael Gorven
2009-02-20 17:31             ` Jan Alsenz
2009-02-20 18:35               ` Vesa Jääskeläinen
2009-02-20 19:35                 ` Jan Alsenz
2009-02-21 13:59             ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 13:51         ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 15:29           ` Michael Gorven
2009-02-21 20:31             ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 20:43               ` Michael Gorven
2009-02-21 21:04                 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 21:17                   ` Jan Alsenz
2009-02-21 21:27                     ` phcoder
2009-02-21 21:32                     ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 21:57                       ` Jan Alsenz
2009-02-21 23:19                         ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 21:04               ` Jan Alsenz
2009-02-21 21:27                 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-22  2:10               ` Isaac Dupree
2009-02-27 20:28                 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 16:48           ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-21 20:39             ` Robert Millan
2009-02-22  1:02               ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-27 20:33                 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 16:58           ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-21 17:08             ` phcoder
2009-02-21 20:43             ` Robert Millan [this message]
2009-02-21 13:31       ` Robert Millan
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-02-21  2:27 Alex Besogonov
2009-02-18 14:10 Alex Besogonov
2009-02-18 14:52 ` Isaac Dupree
2009-02-18 15:10   ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-18 22:03     ` Isaac Dupree
2009-02-19  9:46       ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-18  9:10 Alex Besogonov
2009-02-18 12:16 ` phcoder
     [not found] ` <499C7809.6030203@student.ethz.ch>
2009-02-19 10:21   ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-19 15:05     ` phcoder
2009-02-19 15:38       ` Colin D Bennett
2009-02-19 16:29         ` phcoder
2009-02-21 13:38         ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 13:43           ` phcoder
2009-02-21 14:00           ` Jan Alsenz
2009-02-19 15:44       ` Michal Suchanek
2009-02-19 16:02         ` phcoder
2009-02-21 13:22 ` Robert Millan

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