From: phcoder <phcoder@gmail.com>
To: The development of GRUB 2 <grub-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: A _good_ and valid use for TPM
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:44:34 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <49A11E82.2040909@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <gnq9ai$1mq$1@ger.gmane.org>
>> In any case, if your attacker is that much determined to archieve
>> their goal,
>> reverse engineering a small chip isn't going to stop them.
> Reverse engineering the TPM chip is very costly. And I'm not going to
> try to protect data from NSA or CIA or another three-letter agency.
On this you have to trust the manufacturer. Actually you can't know how
difficult reverse-engineering is before you do. And it's only a matter
of time before some crypto-hardware geek reverse-engineers it because he
was bored or a crypto-student does it because it gives him an excellent
diploma. This is quite possible because universities often have the
necessary equipment and diploma works are supposed to be long and
difficult. At this point reading a publication and using its results is
trivial. And look at reverse-engineered opensource drivers. It's just a
matter of obfuscation and we already know that it brings no security. If
you want to protect your keys the only ways is to physically protect
them like putting concrete around the flash chip
Regards
Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-02-22 9:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-02-19 17:43 A _good_ and valid use for TPM Alex Besogonov
2009-02-19 19:30 ` phcoder
2009-02-19 21:00 ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-20 0:29 ` Jan Alsenz
2009-02-20 1:03 ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-20 7:47 ` Jan Alsenz
2009-02-22 1:14 ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-27 19:59 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 13:46 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 14:20 ` Jan Alsenz
2009-02-21 14:34 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 15:00 ` Jan Alsenz
2009-02-21 20:08 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-22 1:21 ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-22 9:44 ` phcoder [this message]
2009-02-22 14:49 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-02-22 15:33 ` phcoder
2009-02-23 2:34 ` step21
2009-02-23 13:35 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-02-27 20:07 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-27 20:03 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 16:29 ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-21 17:03 ` phcoder
2009-02-21 20:23 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 20:21 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-22 1:26 ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-27 20:13 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-20 7:45 ` Michael Gorven
2009-02-20 11:27 ` phcoder
2009-02-20 12:12 ` Michael Gorven
2009-02-20 17:31 ` Jan Alsenz
2009-02-20 18:35 ` Vesa Jääskeläinen
2009-02-20 19:35 ` Jan Alsenz
2009-02-21 13:59 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 13:51 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 15:29 ` Michael Gorven
2009-02-21 20:31 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 20:43 ` Michael Gorven
2009-02-21 21:04 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 21:17 ` Jan Alsenz
2009-02-21 21:27 ` phcoder
2009-02-21 21:32 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 21:57 ` Jan Alsenz
2009-02-21 23:19 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 21:04 ` Jan Alsenz
2009-02-21 21:27 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-22 2:10 ` Isaac Dupree
2009-02-27 20:28 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 16:48 ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-21 20:39 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-22 1:02 ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-27 20:33 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 16:58 ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-21 17:08 ` phcoder
2009-02-21 20:43 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 13:31 ` Robert Millan
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-02-21 2:27 Alex Besogonov
2009-02-18 14:10 Alex Besogonov
2009-02-18 14:52 ` Isaac Dupree
2009-02-18 15:10 ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-18 22:03 ` Isaac Dupree
2009-02-19 9:46 ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-18 9:10 Alex Besogonov
2009-02-18 12:16 ` phcoder
[not found] ` <499C7809.6030203@student.ethz.ch>
2009-02-19 10:21 ` Alex Besogonov
2009-02-19 15:05 ` phcoder
2009-02-19 15:38 ` Colin D Bennett
2009-02-19 16:29 ` phcoder
2009-02-21 13:38 ` Robert Millan
2009-02-21 13:43 ` phcoder
2009-02-21 14:00 ` Jan Alsenz
2009-02-19 15:44 ` Michal Suchanek
2009-02-19 16:02 ` phcoder
2009-02-21 13:22 ` Robert Millan
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