From: peterz@infradead.org (Peter Zijlstra)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v2 04/11] sched: Allow all archs to set the power_orig
Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 16:46:35 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140530144635.GE30445@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53888FF0.4020403@arm.com>
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 03:04:32PM +0100, Dietmar Eggemann wrote:
> On 23/05/14 16:52, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> > power_orig is only changed for system with a SMT sched_domain level in order to
> > reflect the lower capacity of CPUs. Heterogenous system also have to reflect an
> > original capacity that is different from the default value.
> >
> > Create a more generic function arch_scale_cpu_power that can be also used by
> > non SMT platform to set power_orig.
> >
> > The weak behavior of arch_scale_cpu_power is the previous SMT one in order to
> > keep backward compatibility in the use of power_orig.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
>
> As you know, besides uarch scaled cpu power for HMP, freq scaled cpu
> power is important for energy-aware scheduling to achieve freq scale
> invariance for task load.
>
> I know that your patch-set is not about introducing freq scaled cpu
> power, but we were discussing how this can be achieved w/ your patch-set
> in place, so maybe you can share your opinion regarding the easiest way
> to achieve freq scale invariance with us?
>
> (1) We assume that the current way (update_cpu_power() calls
> arch_scale_freq_power() to get the avg power(freq) over the time period
> since the last call to arch_scale_freq_power()) is suitable
> for us. Do you have another opinion here?
>
> (2) Is the current layout of update_cpu_power() adequate for this, where
> we scale power_orig related to freq and then related to rt/(irq):
>
> power_orig = scale_cpu(SCHED_POWER_SCALE)
> power = scale_rt(scale_freq(power_orig))
>
> or do we need an extra power_freq data member on the rq and do:
>
> power_orig = scale_cpu(SCHED_POWER_SCALE)
> power_freq = scale_freq(power_orig))
> power = scale_rt(power_orig))
>
> In other words, do we consider rt/(irq) pressure when calculating freq
> scale invariant task load or not?
I don't think you should. The work done depends on the frequency, not on
other tasks present on the cpu. The same is true for an over-utilized
cpu, a task will run less than the desired amount of time, this is no
different from a RT/irq preempting the task and taking its time.
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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>
Cc: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 04/11] sched: Allow all archs to set the power_orig
Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 16:46:35 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140530144635.GE30445@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53888FF0.4020403@arm.com>
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On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 03:04:32PM +0100, Dietmar Eggemann wrote:
> On 23/05/14 16:52, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> > power_orig is only changed for system with a SMT sched_domain level in order to
> > reflect the lower capacity of CPUs. Heterogenous system also have to reflect an
> > original capacity that is different from the default value.
> >
> > Create a more generic function arch_scale_cpu_power that can be also used by
> > non SMT platform to set power_orig.
> >
> > The weak behavior of arch_scale_cpu_power is the previous SMT one in order to
> > keep backward compatibility in the use of power_orig.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
>
> As you know, besides uarch scaled cpu power for HMP, freq scaled cpu
> power is important for energy-aware scheduling to achieve freq scale
> invariance for task load.
>
> I know that your patch-set is not about introducing freq scaled cpu
> power, but we were discussing how this can be achieved w/ your patch-set
> in place, so maybe you can share your opinion regarding the easiest way
> to achieve freq scale invariance with us?
>
> (1) We assume that the current way (update_cpu_power() calls
> arch_scale_freq_power() to get the avg power(freq) over the time period
> since the last call to arch_scale_freq_power()) is suitable
> for us. Do you have another opinion here?
>
> (2) Is the current layout of update_cpu_power() adequate for this, where
> we scale power_orig related to freq and then related to rt/(irq):
>
> power_orig = scale_cpu(SCHED_POWER_SCALE)
> power = scale_rt(scale_freq(power_orig))
>
> or do we need an extra power_freq data member on the rq and do:
>
> power_orig = scale_cpu(SCHED_POWER_SCALE)
> power_freq = scale_freq(power_orig))
> power = scale_rt(power_orig))
>
> In other words, do we consider rt/(irq) pressure when calculating freq
> scale invariant task load or not?
I don't think you should. The work done depends on the frequency, not on
other tasks present on the cpu. The same is true for an over-utilized
cpu, a task will run less than the desired amount of time, this is no
different from a RT/irq preempting the task and taking its time.
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2014-05-23 15:52 [PATCH v2 00/11] sched: consolidation of cpu_power Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 01/11] sched: fix imbalance flag reset Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-25 10:33 ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-25 10:33 ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26 7:49 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26 7:49 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26 9:16 ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26 9:16 ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26 10:14 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26 10:14 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 02/11] sched: remove a wake_affine condition Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 12:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 12:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 15:19 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 15:19 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 15:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 15:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 16:14 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 16:14 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 6:49 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 6:49 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 15:09 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-28 15:09 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-28 15:25 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 15:25 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 13:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 13:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 13:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 13:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 15:20 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 15:20 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 03/11] sched: fix avg_load computation Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 13:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 13:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 04/11] sched: Allow all archs to set the power_orig Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 14:04 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30 14:04 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30 14:46 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2014-05-30 14:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30 20:50 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 20:50 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 9:42 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-04 9:42 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-04 11:15 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 11:15 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-05 8:59 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-05 8:59 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-16 9:01 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-16 9:01 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03 13:22 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 13:22 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 14:02 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03 14:02 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 11:17 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 11:17 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-06 7:01 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-06 7:01 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 05/11] ARM: topology: use new cpu_power interface Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-25 13:22 ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-25 13:22 ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26 8:25 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26 8:25 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26 9:19 ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26 9:19 ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 06/11] sched: add per rq cpu_power_orig Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 07/11] Revert "sched: Put rq's sched_avg under CONFIG_FAIR_GROUP_SCHED" Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 08/11] sched: get CPU's activity statistic Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 17:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 17:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-28 7:01 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 7:01 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 12:10 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-28 12:10 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-28 13:15 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 13:15 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 15:47 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-28 15:47 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-28 16:39 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 16:39 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03 12:03 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 12:03 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 15:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 15:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:41 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 17:41 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 15:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 15:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:20 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 17:20 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 7:47 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 7:47 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 8:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 8:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 8:55 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 8:55 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 9:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 9:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 9:35 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 9:35 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 10:25 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 10:25 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 9:44 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 9:44 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 9:32 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 9:32 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 10:00 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 10:00 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 10:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 10:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 10:36 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 10:36 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 10:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 10:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 11:07 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 11:07 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 11:23 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 11:23 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 11:52 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 11:52 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 13:09 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 13:09 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 13:23 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 13:23 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-28 15:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-28 15:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 15:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 15:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:16 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 17:16 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 17:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 23:11 ` Yuyang Du
2014-06-03 23:11 ` Yuyang Du
2014-05-30 9:50 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30 9:50 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30 19:20 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 19:20 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-01 11:33 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-01 11:33 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-02 14:07 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-02 14:07 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 09/11] sched: test the cpu's capacity in wake affine Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 10:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-28 10:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-28 11:15 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 11:15 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-11-24 0:34 ` Wanpeng Li
2014-11-24 0:34 ` Wanpeng Li
2014-11-24 13:23 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-11-24 13:23 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 10/11] sched: move cfs task on a CPU with higher capacity Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 9:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 9:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 19:37 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 19:37 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 6:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30 6:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30 20:05 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 20:05 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-02 17:06 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-02 17:06 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03 11:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 11:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 12:31 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03 12:31 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 14:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 14:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 19:44 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 19:44 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 13:26 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30 13:26 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30 19:24 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 19:24 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 19:45 ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-05-30 19:45 ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-05-30 20:07 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 20:07 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 11/11] sched: replace capacity by activity Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 13:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 13:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 19:51 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 19:51 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-02 6:21 ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-06-02 6:21 ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-06-03 9:50 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03 9:50 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 14:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 14:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 19:56 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 19:56 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 6:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30 6:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30 19:13 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 19:13 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26 9:44 ` [PATCH v2 00/11] sched: consolidation of cpu_power Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26 9:44 ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26 10:04 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26 10:04 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26 15:54 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26 15:54 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 5:47 ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-27 5:47 ` Preeti U Murthy
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