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From: morten.rasmussen@arm.com (Morten Rasmussen)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v2 08/11] sched: get CPU's activity statistic
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 10:44:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140604094447.GI29593@e103034-lin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140604092313.GB11096@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Wed, Jun 04, 2014 at 10:23:13AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > f you had five tasks on one cpu that each have a 25% requirement you can
> > get individual task runnable_avgs of up to 100% (cpu unweighted
> > runnable_load_avg can get up 500%, I think), but the task running_avgs
> > would be 20% each (total of 100%). 
> 
> Yeah, more or less so indeed. I had not considered the queueing effects
> on runnable_avg yesterday, so good that that got raised.
> 
> That does indeed invalidate my: runnable - running := extra cpu required
> thing. It ends up being the extra cpu required for 0 latency but gobs of
> idle time, which is something else entirely.

Agreed, but I think it is still a useful estimate of the required
compute capacity. If there is a significant difference between runnable
and running on a cpu, the current mix of tasks is not good for latency.
However, we need to treat it as a worst case estimate and not necessarily
try to move exactly runnable-running worth of tasks to another cpu.

So far I haven't been able to come up with something better.

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From: Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	"mingo@kernel.org" <mingo@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 08/11] sched: get CPU's activity statistic
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 10:44:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140604094447.GI29593@e103034-lin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140604092313.GB11096@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Wed, Jun 04, 2014 at 10:23:13AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > f you had five tasks on one cpu that each have a 25% requirement you can
> > get individual task runnable_avgs of up to 100% (cpu unweighted
> > runnable_load_avg can get up 500%, I think), but the task running_avgs
> > would be 20% each (total of 100%). 
> 
> Yeah, more or less so indeed. I had not considered the queueing effects
> on runnable_avg yesterday, so good that that got raised.
> 
> That does indeed invalidate my: runnable - running := extra cpu required
> thing. It ends up being the extra cpu required for 0 latency but gobs of
> idle time, which is something else entirely.

Agreed, but I think it is still a useful estimate of the required
compute capacity. If there is a significant difference between runnable
and running on a cpu, the current mix of tasks is not good for latency.
However, we need to treat it as a worst case estimate and not necessarily
try to move exactly runnable-running worth of tasks to another cpu.

So far I haven't been able to come up with something better.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-06-04  9:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 216+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-23 15:52 [PATCH v2 00/11] sched: consolidation of cpu_power Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 01/11] sched: fix imbalance flag reset Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-25 10:33   ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-25 10:33     ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26  7:49     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26  7:49       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26  9:16       ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26  9:16         ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26 10:14         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26 10:14           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 02/11] sched: remove a wake_affine condition Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 12:48   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 12:48     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 15:19     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 15:19       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 15:39       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 15:39         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 16:14         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 16:14           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28  6:49           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28  6:49             ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 15:09             ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-28 15:09               ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-28 15:25               ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 15:25                 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 13:43   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 13:43     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 13:45   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 13:45     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 15:20     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 15:20       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 03/11] sched: fix avg_load computation Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 13:48   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 13:48     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 04/11] sched: Allow all archs to set the power_orig Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 14:04   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30 14:04     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30 14:46     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30 14:46       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30 20:50     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 20:50       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04  9:42       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-04  9:42         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-04 11:15         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 11:15           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-05  8:59           ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-05  8:59             ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-16  9:01             ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-16  9:01               ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03 13:22   ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 13:22     ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 14:02     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03 14:02       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 11:17       ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 11:17         ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-06  7:01         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-06  7:01           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 05/11] ARM: topology: use new cpu_power interface Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-25 13:22   ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-25 13:22     ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26  8:25     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26  8:25       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26  9:19       ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26  9:19         ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 06/11] sched: add per rq cpu_power_orig Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 07/11] Revert "sched: Put rq's sched_avg under CONFIG_FAIR_GROUP_SCHED" Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 08/11] sched: get CPU's activity statistic Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 17:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 17:32     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-28  7:01     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28  7:01       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 12:10   ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-28 12:10     ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-28 13:15     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 13:15       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 15:47       ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-28 15:47         ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-28 16:39         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 16:39           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03 12:03           ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 12:03             ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 15:59             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 15:59               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:41               ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 17:41                 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 15:50         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 15:50           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:20           ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 17:20             ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04  7:47           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04  7:47             ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04  8:08             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04  8:08               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04  8:55               ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04  8:55                 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04  9:23                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04  9:23                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04  9:35                   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04  9:35                     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 10:25                     ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 10:25                       ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04  9:44                   ` Morten Rasmussen [this message]
2014-06-04  9:44                     ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04  9:32               ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04  9:32                 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 10:00                 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 10:00                   ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 10:17                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 10:17                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 10:36                   ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 10:36                     ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 10:55                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 10:55                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 11:07                     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 11:07                       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 11:23                       ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 11:23                         ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 11:52                         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 11:52                           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 13:09                           ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 13:09                             ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 13:23                             ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 13:23                               ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-28 15:17     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-28 15:17       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 15:40     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 15:40       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:16       ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 17:16         ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 17:37         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:37           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:39         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:39           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 23:11       ` Yuyang Du
2014-06-03 23:11         ` Yuyang Du
2014-05-30  9:50   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30  9:50     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30 19:20     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 19:20       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-01 11:33       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-01 11:33         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-02 14:07         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-02 14:07           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 09/11] sched: test the cpu's capacity in wake affine Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 10:58   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-28 10:58     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-28 11:15     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 11:15       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-11-24  0:34       ` Wanpeng Li
2014-11-24  0:34         ` Wanpeng Li
2014-11-24 13:23         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-11-24 13:23           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 10/11] sched: move cfs task on a CPU with higher capacity Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29  9:50   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29  9:50     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 19:37     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 19:37       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30  6:29       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30  6:29         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30 20:05         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 20:05           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-02 17:06         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-02 17:06           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03 11:15           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 11:15             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 12:31             ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03 12:31               ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 14:04   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 14:04     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 19:44     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 19:44       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 13:26   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30 13:26     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30 19:24     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 19:24       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 19:45       ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-05-30 19:45         ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-05-30 20:07         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 20:07           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 11/11] sched: replace capacity by activity Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 13:55   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 13:55     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 19:51     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 19:51       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-02  6:21     ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-06-02  6:21       ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-06-03  9:50       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03  9:50         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 14:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 14:02     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 19:56     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 19:56       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30  6:34       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30  6:34         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30 19:13         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 19:13           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26  9:44 ` [PATCH v2 00/11] sched: consolidation of cpu_power Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26  9:44   ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26 10:04   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26 10:04     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26 15:54     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26 15:54       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27  5:47       ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-27  5:47         ` Preeti U Murthy

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