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From: peterz@infradead.org (Peter Zijlstra)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v2 08/11] sched: get CPU's activity statistic
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 19:37:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140603173741.GE13930@laptop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140603171628.GE29593@e103034-lin>

On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 06:16:28PM +0100, Morten Rasmussen wrote:
> > I'm not too worried about the tipping point, per task runnable figures
> > of an overloaded cpu are higher, so migration between an overloaded cpu
> > and an underloaded cpu are going to be tricky no matter what we do.
> 
> Yes, agreed. I just got the impression that you were concerned about
> smp_nice last time we discussed this.

Well, yes, we need to keep that working, but the exact detail around the
tipping point are near impossible to get right, so I'm not too bothered
there.

> > > rq runnable_avg_sum is useful for decisions where we need a longer term
> > > view of the cpu utilization, but I don't see how we can use as cpu
> > > utilization metric for load-balancing decisions at wakeup or
> > > periodically.
> > 
> > So keeping one with a faster decay would add extra per-task storage. But
> > would be possible..
> 
> I have had that thought when we discussed potential replacements for
> cpu_load[]. It will require some messing around with the nicely
> optimized load tracking maths if we want to have load tracking with a
> different y-coefficient.

My initial thought was a y=0.5, which is really >>=1. But yes, if we
want something else that'll get messy real fast methinks.

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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>
Cc: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	"mingo@kernel.org" <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux@arm.linux.org.uk" <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" 
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com" <preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"efault@gmx.de" <efault@gmx.de>,
	"nicolas.pitre@linaro.org" <nicolas.pitre@linaro.org>,
	"linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org" <linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org>,
	"daniel.lezcano@linaro.org" <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org>,
	Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Benjamin Segall <bsegall@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 08/11] sched: get CPU's activity statistic
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 19:37:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140603173741.GE13930@laptop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140603171628.GE29593@e103034-lin>

On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 06:16:28PM +0100, Morten Rasmussen wrote:
> > I'm not too worried about the tipping point, per task runnable figures
> > of an overloaded cpu are higher, so migration between an overloaded cpu
> > and an underloaded cpu are going to be tricky no matter what we do.
> 
> Yes, agreed. I just got the impression that you were concerned about
> smp_nice last time we discussed this.

Well, yes, we need to keep that working, but the exact detail around the
tipping point are near impossible to get right, so I'm not too bothered
there.

> > > rq runnable_avg_sum is useful for decisions where we need a longer term
> > > view of the cpu utilization, but I don't see how we can use as cpu
> > > utilization metric for load-balancing decisions at wakeup or
> > > periodically.
> > 
> > So keeping one with a faster decay would add extra per-task storage. But
> > would be possible..
> 
> I have had that thought when we discussed potential replacements for
> cpu_load[]. It will require some messing around with the nicely
> optimized load tracking maths if we want to have load tracking with a
> different y-coefficient.

My initial thought was a y=0.5, which is really >>=1. But yes, if we
want something else that'll get messy real fast methinks.

  reply	other threads:[~2014-06-03 17:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 216+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-23 15:52 [PATCH v2 00/11] sched: consolidation of cpu_power Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 01/11] sched: fix imbalance flag reset Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-25 10:33   ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-25 10:33     ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26  7:49     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26  7:49       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26  9:16       ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26  9:16         ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26 10:14         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26 10:14           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 02/11] sched: remove a wake_affine condition Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 12:48   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 12:48     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 15:19     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 15:19       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 15:39       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 15:39         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 16:14         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 16:14           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28  6:49           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28  6:49             ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 15:09             ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-28 15:09               ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-28 15:25               ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 15:25                 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 13:43   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 13:43     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 13:45   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 13:45     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 15:20     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 15:20       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 03/11] sched: fix avg_load computation Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 13:48   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 13:48     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 04/11] sched: Allow all archs to set the power_orig Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 14:04   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30 14:04     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30 14:46     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30 14:46       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30 20:50     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 20:50       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04  9:42       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-04  9:42         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-04 11:15         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 11:15           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-05  8:59           ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-05  8:59             ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-16  9:01             ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-16  9:01               ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03 13:22   ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 13:22     ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 14:02     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03 14:02       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 11:17       ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 11:17         ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-06  7:01         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-06  7:01           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 05/11] ARM: topology: use new cpu_power interface Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-25 13:22   ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-25 13:22     ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26  8:25     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26  8:25       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26  9:19       ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26  9:19         ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 06/11] sched: add per rq cpu_power_orig Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 07/11] Revert "sched: Put rq's sched_avg under CONFIG_FAIR_GROUP_SCHED" Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 08/11] sched: get CPU's activity statistic Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 17:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 17:32     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-28  7:01     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28  7:01       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 12:10   ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-28 12:10     ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-28 13:15     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 13:15       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 15:47       ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-28 15:47         ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-28 16:39         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 16:39           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03 12:03           ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 12:03             ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 15:59             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 15:59               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:41               ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 17:41                 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 15:50         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 15:50           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:20           ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 17:20             ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04  7:47           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04  7:47             ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04  8:08             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04  8:08               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04  8:55               ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04  8:55                 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04  9:23                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04  9:23                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04  9:35                   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04  9:35                     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 10:25                     ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 10:25                       ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04  9:44                   ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04  9:44                     ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04  9:32               ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04  9:32                 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 10:00                 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 10:00                   ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 10:17                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 10:17                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 10:36                   ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 10:36                     ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 10:55                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 10:55                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 11:07                     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 11:07                       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 11:23                       ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 11:23                         ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 11:52                         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 11:52                           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 13:09                           ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 13:09                             ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 13:23                             ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 13:23                               ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-28 15:17     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-28 15:17       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 15:40     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 15:40       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:16       ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 17:16         ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 17:37         ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2014-06-03 17:37           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:39         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:39           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 23:11       ` Yuyang Du
2014-06-03 23:11         ` Yuyang Du
2014-05-30  9:50   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30  9:50     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30 19:20     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 19:20       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-01 11:33       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-01 11:33         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-02 14:07         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-02 14:07           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 09/11] sched: test the cpu's capacity in wake affine Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 10:58   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-28 10:58     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-28 11:15     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 11:15       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-11-24  0:34       ` Wanpeng Li
2014-11-24  0:34         ` Wanpeng Li
2014-11-24 13:23         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-11-24 13:23           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 10/11] sched: move cfs task on a CPU with higher capacity Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29  9:50   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29  9:50     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 19:37     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 19:37       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30  6:29       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30  6:29         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30 20:05         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 20:05           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-02 17:06         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-02 17:06           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03 11:15           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 11:15             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 12:31             ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03 12:31               ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 14:04   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 14:04     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 19:44     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 19:44       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 13:26   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30 13:26     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30 19:24     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 19:24       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 19:45       ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-05-30 19:45         ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-05-30 20:07         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 20:07           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 11/11] sched: replace capacity by activity Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 13:55   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 13:55     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 19:51     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 19:51       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-02  6:21     ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-06-02  6:21       ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-06-03  9:50       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03  9:50         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 14:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 14:02     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 19:56     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 19:56       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30  6:34       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30  6:34         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30 19:13         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 19:13           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26  9:44 ` [PATCH v2 00/11] sched: consolidation of cpu_power Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26  9:44   ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26 10:04   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26 10:04     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26 15:54     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26 15:54       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27  5:47       ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-27  5:47         ` Preeti U Murthy

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