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From: Niklas Cassel <cassel@kernel.org>
To: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>
Cc: "Lorenzo Pieralisi" <lpieralisi@kernel.org>,
	"Krzysztof Wilczyński" <kwilczynski@kernel.org>,
	"Manivannan Sadhasivam" <mani@kernel.org>,
	"Rob Herring" <robh@kernel.org>,
	"Bjorn Helgaas" <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	"Heiko Stuebner" <heiko@sntech.de>,
	"Wilfred Mallawa" <wilfred.mallawa@wdc.com>,
	"Damien Le Moal" <dlemoal@kernel.org>,
	"Laszlo Fiat" <laszlo.fiat@proton.me>,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-rockchip@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] PCI: dw-rockchip: Do not enumerate bus before endpoint devices are ready
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2025 13:19:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aEq30a7vJmKyYWYT@ryzen> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250611211456.GA869983@bhelgaas>

On Wed, Jun 11, 2025 at 04:14:56PM -0500, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2025 at 12:51:42PM +0200, Niklas Cassel wrote:
> > Commit ec9fd499b9c6 ("PCI: dw-rockchip: Don't wait for link since we can
> > detect Link Up") changed so that we no longer call dw_pcie_wait_for_link(),
> > and instead enumerate the bus directly after receiving the Link Up IRQ.
> > 
> > This means that there is no longer any delay between link up and the bus
> > getting enumerated.
> 
> Minor quibble about "no longer any delay": dw_pcie_wait_for_link()
> doesn't contain any explicit delay *after* we notice the link is up,
> so we didn't guarantee sufficient delay even before ec9fd499b9c6.
> 
> If the link came up before the first check, dw_pcie_wait_for_link()
> didn't delay at all.  Otherwise, it delayed 90ms * N, and we have no
> idea when in the 90ms period the link came up, so the post link-up
> delay was effectively some random amount between 0 and 90ms.
> 
> I would propose something like:
> 
>   PCI: dw-rockchip: Wait PCIE_T_RRS_READY_MS after link-up IRQ
> 
>   Per PCIe r6.0, sec 6.6.1, software must generally wait a minimum of
>   100ms (PCIE_T_RRS_READY_MS) after Link training completes before
>   sending a Configuration Request.
> 
>   Prior to ec9fd499b9c6 ("PCI: dw-rockchip: Don't wait for link since
>   we can detect Link Up"), dw-rockchip used dw_pcie_wait_for_link(),
>   which waited between 0 and 90ms after the link came up before we
>   enumerate the bus, and this was apparently enough for most devices.
> 
>   After ec9fd499b9c6, rockchip_pcie_rc_sys_irq_thread() started
>   enumeration immediately when handling the link-up IRQ, and devices
>   (e.g., Laszlo Fiat's PLEXTOR PX-256M8PeGN NVMe SSD) may not be ready
>   to handle config requests yet.
> 
>   Delay PCIE_T_RRS_READY_MS after the link-up IRQ before starting
>   enumeration.

Ok, I will shamelessly use this text verbatim.



> I think the comment at the PCIE_T_RRS_READY_MS definition should be
> enough (although it might need to be updated to mention link-up).
> This delay is going to be a standard piece of every driver, so it
> won't require special notice.

Looking at pci.h, we already have a comment mentioning exactly this
(link-up):
https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/v6.16-rc1/drivers/pci/pci.h#L51-L63

I will change the patches to use PCIE_RESET_CONFIG_DEVICE_WAIT_MS instead.


Kind regards,
Niklas


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From: Niklas Cassel <cassel@kernel.org>
To: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>
Cc: "Lorenzo Pieralisi" <lpieralisi@kernel.org>,
	"Krzysztof Wilczyński" <kwilczynski@kernel.org>,
	"Manivannan Sadhasivam" <mani@kernel.org>,
	"Rob Herring" <robh@kernel.org>,
	"Bjorn Helgaas" <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	"Heiko Stuebner" <heiko@sntech.de>,
	"Wilfred Mallawa" <wilfred.mallawa@wdc.com>,
	"Damien Le Moal" <dlemoal@kernel.org>,
	"Laszlo Fiat" <laszlo.fiat@proton.me>,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-rockchip@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] PCI: dw-rockchip: Do not enumerate bus before endpoint devices are ready
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2025 13:19:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aEq30a7vJmKyYWYT@ryzen> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250611211456.GA869983@bhelgaas>

On Wed, Jun 11, 2025 at 04:14:56PM -0500, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2025 at 12:51:42PM +0200, Niklas Cassel wrote:
> > Commit ec9fd499b9c6 ("PCI: dw-rockchip: Don't wait for link since we can
> > detect Link Up") changed so that we no longer call dw_pcie_wait_for_link(),
> > and instead enumerate the bus directly after receiving the Link Up IRQ.
> > 
> > This means that there is no longer any delay between link up and the bus
> > getting enumerated.
> 
> Minor quibble about "no longer any delay": dw_pcie_wait_for_link()
> doesn't contain any explicit delay *after* we notice the link is up,
> so we didn't guarantee sufficient delay even before ec9fd499b9c6.
> 
> If the link came up before the first check, dw_pcie_wait_for_link()
> didn't delay at all.  Otherwise, it delayed 90ms * N, and we have no
> idea when in the 90ms period the link came up, so the post link-up
> delay was effectively some random amount between 0 and 90ms.
> 
> I would propose something like:
> 
>   PCI: dw-rockchip: Wait PCIE_T_RRS_READY_MS after link-up IRQ
> 
>   Per PCIe r6.0, sec 6.6.1, software must generally wait a minimum of
>   100ms (PCIE_T_RRS_READY_MS) after Link training completes before
>   sending a Configuration Request.
> 
>   Prior to ec9fd499b9c6 ("PCI: dw-rockchip: Don't wait for link since
>   we can detect Link Up"), dw-rockchip used dw_pcie_wait_for_link(),
>   which waited between 0 and 90ms after the link came up before we
>   enumerate the bus, and this was apparently enough for most devices.
> 
>   After ec9fd499b9c6, rockchip_pcie_rc_sys_irq_thread() started
>   enumeration immediately when handling the link-up IRQ, and devices
>   (e.g., Laszlo Fiat's PLEXTOR PX-256M8PeGN NVMe SSD) may not be ready
>   to handle config requests yet.
> 
>   Delay PCIE_T_RRS_READY_MS after the link-up IRQ before starting
>   enumeration.

Ok, I will shamelessly use this text verbatim.



> I think the comment at the PCIE_T_RRS_READY_MS definition should be
> enough (although it might need to be updated to mention link-up).
> This delay is going to be a standard piece of every driver, so it
> won't require special notice.

Looking at pci.h, we already have a comment mentioning exactly this
(link-up):
https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/v6.16-rc1/drivers/pci/pci.h#L51-L63

I will change the patches to use PCIE_RESET_CONFIG_DEVICE_WAIT_MS instead.


Kind regards,
Niklas

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  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-12 13:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-11 10:51 [PATCH 0/4] PCI: dwc: Do not enumerate bus before endpoint devices are ready Niklas Cassel
2025-06-11 10:51 ` Niklas Cassel
2025-06-11 10:51 ` [PATCH 1/4] PCI: dw-rockchip: " Niklas Cassel
2025-06-11 10:51   ` Niklas Cassel
2025-06-11 12:33   ` Damien Le Moal
2025-06-11 12:33     ` Damien Le Moal
2025-06-11 21:14   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-06-11 21:14     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-06-12 11:19     ` Niklas Cassel [this message]
2025-06-12 11:19       ` Niklas Cassel
2025-06-12 11:38       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-06-12 11:38         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-06-12 11:40         ` Niklas Cassel
2025-06-12 11:40           ` Niklas Cassel
2025-06-12 12:21           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-06-12 12:21             ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-06-12 13:00             ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2025-06-12 13:00               ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2025-06-12 14:44               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-06-12 14:44                 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-06-12 15:03                 ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2025-06-12 15:03                   ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2025-06-12 15:24                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-06-12 15:24                     ` Bjorn Helgaas
2025-06-12 16:51                     ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2025-06-12 16:51                       ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2025-06-11 10:51 ` [PATCH 2/4] PCI: qcom: " Niklas Cassel
2025-06-11 12:34   ` Damien Le Moal
2025-06-11 10:51 ` [PATCH 3/4] PCI: dwc: Ensure that dw_pcie_wait_for_link() waits 100 ms after link up Niklas Cassel
2025-06-11 12:35   ` Damien Le Moal
2025-06-11 10:51 ` [PATCH 4/4] PCI: dwc: Reduce LINK_WAIT_SLEEP_MS Niklas Cassel
2025-06-11 12:38   ` Damien Le Moal
2025-06-11 12:45     ` Niklas Cassel
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2025-05-05  9:26 [PATCH 0/4] PCI: dwc: Link Up IRQ fixes Niklas Cassel
2025-05-05  9:26 ` [PATCH 1/4] PCI: dw-rockchip: Do not enumerate bus before endpoint devices are ready Niklas Cassel
2025-05-05  9:26   ` Niklas Cassel
2025-05-05 14:09   ` Niklas Cassel
2025-05-05 14:09     ` Niklas Cassel

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