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From: Thomas Petazzoni <thomas.petazzoni@free-electrons.com>
To: buildroot@busybox.net
Subject: [Buildroot] Is GPLv2 the right license for Buildroot?
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 06:17:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130917061740.19eb3a66@skate> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130916200420.GF3293@free.fr>

Dear Yann E. MORIN,

On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 22:04:20 +0200, Yann E. MORIN wrote:

> Also, I would like to reiterate my suggestion the vriable BR2_EXTERNAL
> contains a list (space- or colon-sperated, as you wish) of external
> trees to descend into, rather than containing a single entry.

Unfortunately, I don't think this is easy to do. Have you seen how the
BR2_EXTERNAL/Config.in gets included in the top-level menu? The way
we're doing this in the current implementation doesn't make it easy to
have several paths in BR2_EXTERNAL.

> A side question to this: what if any of the external tree(s) contain a
> package already in a previous external tree or in the original
> Buildroot tree?

I don't think we want to support overlay-ing packages.

> > But it isn't quite sufficient: by your definition, the
> > Buildroot .config should also be shipped, and it also contains
> > config options for the company-specific proprietary packages. So
> > the .config should be "filtered" before being released. Not simple.
> 
> I think that is relatively easy: in the Buildroot tree, just run:
>     make BR2_EXTERNAL= oldconfig
> 
> That will expunge the .config from any variable from the BR2_EXTERNAL
> tree. You can then tar up the Buildroot tree, and make that available.
> Quite easy, but requires a process that documents this simple extra
> step prior to publication.

Hum, right, makes sense.

> > Aren't companies going to be afraid of revealing too much of their
> > secret sauce if they have to disclose their Buildroot tree?
> 
> Depends on what you call "their secret sauce". If you meant "their
> prorietary apps packaged in Buildroot" then, curently, yes, since
> those would be in the Buildroot tree. But with BR2_EXTERNAL (and the
> little oldconfig trick above), that'd be straightforward.
> 
> If you meant "the fact that they actually use Buildroot", then I don;t
> think how this could be seen as a "secret sauce".

I was talking about their proprietary apps / rootfs overlay, etc. Which
indeed with BR2_EXTERNAL they can keep separate.

> > If it's considered as a derived work, then your above idea of using
> > BR2_EXTERNAL to split things between secret stuff and released
> > stuff no longer works.
> 
> Well, yes it still stands. The GPL only applies at the time of
> distribution. So if BR2_EXTERNAL only contains recipes for
> weak-copyleft or non-copyleft packages,

Yes, and this *if* is very important.

> then there is no need for the
> company to distribute it, since the "official" Buildroot tree is
> enough to reproduce the GPL program(s) on the target.
> 
> This applies, of course, only if the company decides to publish
> Buildroot to catter for section 3 of the GPL of those programs.
> 
> If the company decides for another route, then this point is moot
> anyway, since there is no distribution at all.

Sure.

Thomas
-- 
Thomas Petazzoni, Free Electrons
Kernel, drivers, real-time and embedded Linux
development, consulting, training and support.
http://free-electrons.com

  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-17  4:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-08 13:15 [Buildroot] [PATCH 0/3] Support for out-of-tree Buildroot customization Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-08 13:15 ` [Buildroot] [PATCH 1/3] Makefile: factorize *config dependencies Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-11  2:06   ` rjbarnet at rockwellcollins.com
2013-09-11 17:39   ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-08 13:15 ` [Buildroot] [PATCH 2/3] Add support for BR2_EXTERNAL Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-11  2:03   ` rjbarnet at rockwellcollins.com
2013-09-11 17:03     ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-11 17:12       ` Ryan Barnett
2013-09-12 21:05     ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2013-09-12 21:30       ` Ryan Barnett
2013-09-12 21:41         ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2013-09-12 21:51           ` Ryan Barnett
2013-09-12 21:57             ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2013-09-12 22:11               ` Ryan Barnett
2013-09-13 20:56                 ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2013-09-14  5:29                   ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-11  2:07   ` rjbarnet at rockwellcollins.com
2013-09-12 21:04   ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2013-09-13  3:48     ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-13  6:43       ` Tzu-Jung Lee
2013-09-13  7:10         ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-13  7:47           ` Tzu-Jung Lee
     [not found]   ` <CAC2S8kiHUwNFprvvYd85UEGjDJhEX0Jgtb4e7Pd1vwwFGF7m_w@mail.gmail.com>
2013-09-12 21:53     ` [Buildroot] Fwd: " Ryan Barnett
2013-09-08 13:15 ` [Buildroot] [PATCH 3/3] docs/manual: add explanations about BR2_EXTERNAL Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-11  2:09   ` rjbarnet at rockwellcollins.com
2013-09-12 21:46   ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2013-09-13  6:53     ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-11  1:32 ` [Buildroot] [PATCH 0/3] Support for out-of-tree Buildroot customization rjbarnet at rockwellcollins.com
2013-09-11  7:17   ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-11 15:55     ` Ryan Barnett
2013-09-11 17:27       ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-12  7:54         ` Thomas De Schampheleire
2013-09-12 18:21           ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-12 18:25             ` ANDY KENNEDY
2013-09-12 18:33               ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-12 18:44                 ` ANDY KENNEDY
2013-09-12 22:04                 ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2013-09-12 22:12                   ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-13 21:50                     ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2013-09-14 22:16                       ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-16 15:43                         ` ANDY KENNEDY
2013-09-16 17:30                           ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-16 18:26                             ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-16 18:58                               ` ANDY KENNEDY
2013-09-16 16:21                         ` [Buildroot] Is GPLv2 the right license for Buildroot? Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-16 17:08                           ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-16 17:45                             ` ANDY KENNEDY
2013-09-16 18:01                               ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-16 18:16                                 ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-16 21:17                                 ` Peter Korsgaard
2013-09-18  1:50                                 ` Jason Rennie
2013-09-18  7:22                                   ` Peter Korsgaard
2013-09-18 22:09                                   ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-19  0:25                                     ` Jason Rennie
2013-09-19 17:54                                       ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-16 17:58                             ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-16 18:15                               ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-16 18:24                                 ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-16 18:56                                   ` ANDY KENNEDY
2013-09-16 20:04                                   ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-17  4:17                                     ` Thomas Petazzoni [this message]
2013-09-16 19:50                             ` Grant Edwards
2013-09-16 20:15                               ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-18  1:52                               ` Jason Rennie
2013-09-16 19:53                             ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2013-09-16 21:13                             ` Peter Korsgaard
2013-09-16 21:12                           ` Peter Korsgaard
2013-09-17  4:44                             ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-17 14:53                               ` Grant Edwards
2013-09-17 15:17                                 ` Jeremy Rosen
2013-09-17 15:22                                   ` Grant Edwards
2013-09-17 15:29                                 ` Peter Korsgaard
2013-09-16 18:56                         ` [Buildroot] [PATCH 0/3] Support for out-of-tree Buildroot customization Arnout Vandecappelle
2013-09-12 22:07                 ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-12 22:28                   ` ANDY KENNEDY
2013-09-12 22:47                     ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-15 13:18                       ` Thomas De Schampheleire
2013-09-12 21:51             ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-13  7:35             ` Thomas De Schampheleire
2013-09-13 15:55               ` Ryan Barnett
2013-09-12 21:50           ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-12 18:18         ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-12 22:24           ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-11  5:00 ` Baruch Siach

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