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From: Yann E. MORIN <yann.morin.1998@free.fr>
To: buildroot@busybox.net
Subject: [Buildroot] Is GPLv2 the right license for Buildroot?
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 19:54:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130919175413.GB3317@free.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <523A448E.6010402@rftechnology.com.au>

Jason, All,

On 2013-09-19 10:25 +1000, Jason Rennie spake thusly:
> On 19/09/2013 8:09 AM, Yann E. MORIN wrote:
> >But consider this:
> >   - you use Buildroot to build a GPL package, which ends up on the
> >     target
> >
> >   - that package is GPL, so the GPL applies to that package
> >
> >   - section 3 of the GPL requires you provide the "scripts used to
> >     control compilation and installation of the executable."
> >
> >   - So you have two options:
> >     - come up with the instructions by yourself (by looking at how
> >       Buildroot does its stuff, for example), but it's not trivial;
> >     - or provide your Buildroot tree (and .config) since this is the
> >       easiest. Let's assume that's the way you go.
> >
> >   - so, since you are distributing Buildroot, you have to abide by its
> >     license. It happens that this license is the GPL, but it's just
> >     happenstance that it is the same license as your GPL package, above.
> >
> 
> Wouldn't the intent of the license suggest that this was talking about the
> makefiles/configure scripts/whatever that you need to actually build the
> executable? Rather than some metabuild script like buildroot? I'm guessing
> the clause is there to stop someone "complying" by giving you a bunch of .c
> and .h files but not providing you a meaningful way to get an executeable
> out the other end.
> 
> The understanding you are suggesting would seem to be like requiring that
> the automated build script that runs on a build server of an evening (which
> calls the make files, maybe runs some automated tests etc, basically an
> automated developer task) would need to be included to distribute the
> software.

No, I never said that [*].
I said doing so would make complying _much easier_.

And since we're speaking on the Buildroot ML, I'm assuming the build
system in question is Buildroot, not some weirdo internal and
proprietary build system.

> As I said IANAL and so perhaps that would be required but that would seem
> like a bug in the license at that point and the problem is the terms of the
> license needing review.

Well, what is important is the _spirit_ of the license, as much as the
_letter_ of the license is.

Now, I believe we've gone as far as our uninformed opinions would get
us, and we won't be able to cover all cases, so we can safely close this
subject for now. ;-)

I'll try to gather all of this thread in a patch against the manual later
next week, and will submit that back here for further discussion. Thanks
all of you for your very valuable inputs! :-)


[*] In fact, I even never said that you had to, or did not have to
    provide it. I just said providing it makes complying very easy.
    YMMV, as they use to say! ;-)

Regards,
Yann E. MORIN.

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-19 17:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-08 13:15 [Buildroot] [PATCH 0/3] Support for out-of-tree Buildroot customization Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-08 13:15 ` [Buildroot] [PATCH 1/3] Makefile: factorize *config dependencies Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-11  2:06   ` rjbarnet at rockwellcollins.com
2013-09-11 17:39   ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-08 13:15 ` [Buildroot] [PATCH 2/3] Add support for BR2_EXTERNAL Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-11  2:03   ` rjbarnet at rockwellcollins.com
2013-09-11 17:03     ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-11 17:12       ` Ryan Barnett
2013-09-12 21:05     ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2013-09-12 21:30       ` Ryan Barnett
2013-09-12 21:41         ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2013-09-12 21:51           ` Ryan Barnett
2013-09-12 21:57             ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2013-09-12 22:11               ` Ryan Barnett
2013-09-13 20:56                 ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2013-09-14  5:29                   ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-11  2:07   ` rjbarnet at rockwellcollins.com
2013-09-12 21:04   ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2013-09-13  3:48     ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-13  6:43       ` Tzu-Jung Lee
2013-09-13  7:10         ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-13  7:47           ` Tzu-Jung Lee
     [not found]   ` <CAC2S8kiHUwNFprvvYd85UEGjDJhEX0Jgtb4e7Pd1vwwFGF7m_w@mail.gmail.com>
2013-09-12 21:53     ` [Buildroot] Fwd: " Ryan Barnett
2013-09-08 13:15 ` [Buildroot] [PATCH 3/3] docs/manual: add explanations about BR2_EXTERNAL Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-11  2:09   ` rjbarnet at rockwellcollins.com
2013-09-12 21:46   ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2013-09-13  6:53     ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-11  1:32 ` [Buildroot] [PATCH 0/3] Support for out-of-tree Buildroot customization rjbarnet at rockwellcollins.com
2013-09-11  7:17   ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-11 15:55     ` Ryan Barnett
2013-09-11 17:27       ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-12  7:54         ` Thomas De Schampheleire
2013-09-12 18:21           ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-12 18:25             ` ANDY KENNEDY
2013-09-12 18:33               ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-12 18:44                 ` ANDY KENNEDY
2013-09-12 22:04                 ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2013-09-12 22:12                   ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-13 21:50                     ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2013-09-14 22:16                       ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-16 15:43                         ` ANDY KENNEDY
2013-09-16 17:30                           ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-16 18:26                             ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-16 18:58                               ` ANDY KENNEDY
2013-09-16 16:21                         ` [Buildroot] Is GPLv2 the right license for Buildroot? Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-16 17:08                           ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-16 17:45                             ` ANDY KENNEDY
2013-09-16 18:01                               ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-16 18:16                                 ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-16 21:17                                 ` Peter Korsgaard
2013-09-18  1:50                                 ` Jason Rennie
2013-09-18  7:22                                   ` Peter Korsgaard
2013-09-18 22:09                                   ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-19  0:25                                     ` Jason Rennie
2013-09-19 17:54                                       ` Yann E. MORIN [this message]
2013-09-16 17:58                             ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-16 18:15                               ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-16 18:24                                 ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-16 18:56                                   ` ANDY KENNEDY
2013-09-16 20:04                                   ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-17  4:17                                     ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-16 19:50                             ` Grant Edwards
2013-09-16 20:15                               ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-18  1:52                               ` Jason Rennie
2013-09-16 19:53                             ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2013-09-16 21:13                             ` Peter Korsgaard
2013-09-16 21:12                           ` Peter Korsgaard
2013-09-17  4:44                             ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-17 14:53                               ` Grant Edwards
2013-09-17 15:17                                 ` Jeremy Rosen
2013-09-17 15:22                                   ` Grant Edwards
2013-09-17 15:29                                 ` Peter Korsgaard
2013-09-16 18:56                         ` [Buildroot] [PATCH 0/3] Support for out-of-tree Buildroot customization Arnout Vandecappelle
2013-09-12 22:07                 ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-12 22:28                   ` ANDY KENNEDY
2013-09-12 22:47                     ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-15 13:18                       ` Thomas De Schampheleire
2013-09-12 21:51             ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-13  7:35             ` Thomas De Schampheleire
2013-09-13 15:55               ` Ryan Barnett
2013-09-12 21:50           ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-12 18:18         ` Thomas Petazzoni
2013-09-12 22:24           ` Yann E. MORIN
2013-09-11  5:00 ` Baruch Siach

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